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why does sexual preference define so much of who a person is? granted, sex and the sexual experience is very much an integral part to our very existences, but when you look at everything else that affects who we are and who we become, it's just a drop in the bucket. why does the average joe schmoe on the street automatically know so much about you once you let him know you're gay? that you have anal sex with every other gay guy within a 50 kilometre radius, your wrist doesn't hold up your hand properly, you always go out in drag to the clubs, you automatically have to prance around like a fucking faerie. i'd rather not be stereotyped, thank you very much. not every black person eats watermelon and cornbread nonstop. not every asian has trouble pronouncing the phrase "very, very sorry". not every hispanic swam across the rio grande to freedom. not every female is weak and fragile. so why does every gay guy have to be a disease-ridded, dress-wearing slut with malfunctioning wrists? (i didn't say any of this to offend anybody; just to make a point) the only stereotype that i've seen to hold true is the one concerning straight white christian males. they have a tendancy to remind me every five minutes that i'm going to burn in hell forever for my sins. well, then, so be it. but i'll see you there too, my friend. ;-) |
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i do try to be myself most of the time. i'm not the butchest gay man out there, but i'm also not the most effeminate. *sigh* it's just kinda hard to be yourself when someone's always trying to tell you who you are. |
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I'm not butch certainly....but I'm not too effeminate either. I typically am more feminine in my actions, but not in sexual taste. It's pretty funky. |
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PS: Homophobia's vaguely more interesting when the perpetrator uses the dual modern marvels of spelling and punctuation. |
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Homosexuals and minorities are the ONLY ONES IN THE UNITED STATES ALLOWED AN OPINION. EVERYONE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION IS WRONG!!!! Did i get that right? |
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Anyone can have an opinion, but it's going to be judged by others, sometimes lauded, more often trampled and stuck on a meat hook. If you feel right about your opinion, provide a solid, logical, mature argument and you just might convince people over to your side. Not your mindless name-calling, stereotyping drivel. Shut up. Homosexuals and minorities are just given some "padding", if you will, on their rights and opinions because they are so opressed by "people" (at least, I'll group you with them...and WHAT IS UP WITH THE ppl thing???) like you. jerk. Die. |
As far as providing a legal argument about anything, law (legality) is judged by humans, so therefore inherintly flawed. Legality means nothing. Moratlity means nothing, because again that is based upon human judgement, wich is always wrong. You want a logical explenation? Hm, lets think for a second. 2 sexes. Not one. If man were meant to lay with man, woman would not have been created. God's word (Beleive me, I know it backwards and forwards, I have had it thrown in my face since this whole thing began) clearly calls it a sin, an abimanation, and wrong. What do you think happened to Sodom and Gamorah? WHy do you think it happened? Open homosexuality, and Sodomy (see the link?). It is a sin. No panswansy politcally correct movement is going to change reality. But, you know what? Keep it up, because it keeps me busy when you sick mother fuckers die of aids. I applaud your heroism and your stupidity. March on queer boys, and let the aids keep going! |
1. the voice thing. admit it. a lot of gay guys talk with that voice that shouts homo. 2. butch lesbian haircuts. i.e - the "mullet". is it like a requirement to get your hair cut that way, makes eating pussy easier, what? in case no one has let you in on it, it looks like shit, but i guess it keeps the guys away. 3. being artists and hairdressers. what is it with being gay that makes you such a good artist? i would almost consider taking it up the butt if i could paint. i know not ALL gay people are like this but i've seen enough with my very own eyes to have noticed a general trend. If everyone with green eyes talked with that fairy voice or could cut the shit out of some hair, believe you me i'd notice that too. peace to the homo's in HA. just swing the dick that-> way baby. |
The man I'm presently dating is not effeminate. We don't hang out in gay bars and listen to crappy music (Crimson and I have talked a lot about this one. What's up with that nasty dance music at most gay bars? Can't these people ROCK?) Oh, yeah, I can't fix hair for shit and I'm no artist. More stereotypes down the tubes. Anyway, not all stereotypes are true. But you knew that already. As for Satan, there's not too much to say. For being a satanic entity, he seems to care a bit too much about what Gawd thinks. And the Bible? Quote it all day long. Wallow in it. It was written by a bunch of bored guys with a warped sense of humor. You're taking this as an authority on points of morality? Okay. That's cool. Believe what you wanna believe. And you've got a right to your opinion. I've also got a right to mine. It's pretty simple. I did like the part, though, where you said "I don't suck dicks that were in someone else's ass." I suppose that you'd prefer sticking your face into some worn-out gaping cunt that, at some point, other men have previously ejaculated into. Does that turn you on, straight boy? Each to his own. |
Also, it was pretty funny him saying "I don't suck dicks that were in someone else's ass" -- I guess he prefers virgin dicks. |
I honarably bow to your points. Excellent Job! |
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And, like, duh. If "god" is so against Homosexuality, then why aren't you for it? Jesus actually associated with gays and lesbians, and did not shun them (that's why he rules...or was it the ground glass? I'll never know.) as he treated all those oppressed and such. Wake up, buddy. At least I'm not as puerile as you. I don't go around saying "ALL FAGGS GO TO HELL" and those threats of death by AIDS...HA! Around here...It's usually the "straight" kids that spread the diseases...the gays and bis and lesbians all are kinda careful about that kind of thing. Interesting...on another board, I'm having this EXACT SAME CONVERSATION! Someone quipped in that there is extensive research that proves that EVERYONE is a bisexual, they just tend to lean one way more than the other. Interesting viewpoint, nonetheless. I would enjoy seeing factual basis for it. If you're "satan", then why are you so against people sinning? HA! Now, for a semi-decent response. Jay, I guess that your statement is true, but even straight people follow those guidelines... I sometimes do the voice thing. So shoot me. At least I like getting laughs out of my valley girl talk. I'm an artist too. sculpting is fun, and I supposedly have a talent in it. The butch hair thing...not necessarily is it a lesbian thing. Lots of lesbians don't do that hairdo, and straight girls will do that too. It's a matter of taste. I also note that one of my good friends who is bi wants to be a hairdresser. Spooky. Well, Jay, I may have just proven your theory. Rock on. Still...I'm not wholly "gay"...i LIKE girls. Definitely more than I like guys. Blah Satan Sux. |
I have no idea what I'm saying. Stereotypes can work for some people, but not all. never mind. |
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Men lying with men and women lying with women...blah! THeres suppoesd to be someplace in the bible which refutes that, and certianly Jesus can say "no" the the wrongness of that! he accepted and befriended all of them! And if you follow the whole religion...Jesus is god...so that means that god doenst have any issues with homosexuals. There. I hope I got at least some of taht right. |
And I am laughing my ASS off at the stupidity of it all. Oh yes, they are all burning down here, all of them. It does not matter what you beleive. YOu know what I say? Your gonna burn no matter what you do, so hey, do what you like. I mean this in the most sincere way possible. No one knows what is right and wrong. The bible is wrong. Made up by a bunch of freaks who wanted another tool to control mankind with. Same people who cooked up Communism, Socialism, what you call Capitalism, religion is just another invention, and has the same goal as all the others. Control. Enjoy. EAT, DRINK, FUCK, BUTT FUCK, for tomorrow everyone BURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
did i ever tell you that i think you're brilliant and ass-kicking? |
I'm flattered. Satan, you're just ranting now. Please try to make some sense? I knew the bible was wrong. I could care less. And belief is EVERYTHING. If you don't believe in something, then it certainly can't exist (treading dangerous ground...) , at least, in your reality it cannot. I do not believe in Satan, Hell, Heaven, God, etc. Right and wrong is totally subjective. That's what makes life so interesting...everyone is going to disagree, if everything was clean-cut black and white, wouldn't all of us be just a TAD bored? Everything is about control. Trying to control our own lives and realities, and controlling the lives and realities of others. If the bible and all religion is a farce, then you aren't here. Shut up. Thanks. |
Oh I exist, and am very real wether you beleive in me or not. and GOD does to, for without him, I could not exist. We both play our games. We love to watch you step and fetch and dance to our tunes. Most of you, including Zephyr, do it without even knowing it! Mavis, I am very disappointed in you. I had such high hopes that you would be the mother to my heir. |
one has to wonder about people who are all shards and thorns...that is, they offer little to others except their abilities to annoy, to stir up rage and spew ignorance. what are people missing that makes them want to control others and have this evil pissing match over ....gradients?? gay/bi/straight/white/green/dyke/radical/whogivesafuck? ugh. |
i'm too busy riding my bike, being vegan, and eating pussy to play blah blah games with you! why don't you play nice? |
Curious question, please. If you are vegan, isn't pussy meat? You turn me on more and more all the time Mavis. |
I just got my bike on saturday! I absolutely LOVE it! $280 bought me a Specialized Hard Rock Sport...front shocks...and light for its steel (yuck) frame! All that and the brakes work suprisingly well in heavy rainstorms! (My fun on sunday afternoon!) Exactly. who cares. People without reason. Why spend your life worrying about someone's sexual preference? Go outside. How do I dance, satan? People are people. Take them for what they are. Don't judge by one facet. Examine the whole crystal first. Adieu. |
eat a dick already would ya! |
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Patrick, I had no idea that pussy eater meant anything other than pussy eater |
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I have conceded to your points. I feel that all this pissing contest has proven is that no one is wrong, and no one is right. Except that I am real and so is HELL. |
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And what are my next steps, might I ask? |
mine is a specialized globe---sparkly silver and very fast. faster since i painted flames on it... thanks for fielding that one, patrick. given my um, eating habits, i must be getting quite wise by now. oh, satan, is your poor severed head still missing? as for turning you on..... what are you talking about? do you like it when ladies are mean to you? |
And I do not have to prove shit to you. It's there and it's real, and you will know it is real when you are burning. And I really don't care if you beleive in it now or not. In fact, truth be known, I would rather no one believed in it. Because if you did, you would figure out a way out of it. |
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Learn how to tango Zephyr...life is too short not to strut your stuff occasionally. |
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this isn't a value judgement, but an honest question why do you attack zephyr when you discover that he's bi, but when you find out that i like to "get cozy with the ladies" as it were, you are aroused? |
But, then again I venture everyone is |
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that's fine. it's also fine to hold strong opinions about people and their lifestyles. the difference lies in what you door say about it though. not attacking people and actually listening to them is a good way to figure out why, to learn about ourselves. for example, when you were first here, i had to resist very strongly the urge to tell you to get fucked and what i got out of it is certainly more valuable than the five second power trip i would have felt had i done that. playing nice when other people freak you out is a brave thing to do.... being kind and receptive to people is fun. finding out what lies in the intricacies, the details can be amazing. otherwise, why bother? now let's have fun.... does anybody here know how to foxtrot? or lambada? i can dance the samba really well(it's all in the hips, the ass, the breathing), but i so want to learn the foxtrot (tricky feet action?).... |
we have something in common mavis and if that is the definitive intellignce indicator,im stephen hawking |
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The foxtrot is pretty easy, it's just a matter of rhythm, but it's nowhere near as bloody sexy as the samba...or the tango (sigh). Especially the tango with someone tall in a confined space where all you can really do is slide down each other's bodies...(more sighs). |
i thought we tucked you in for the night! patrick, i'm curious...what do we have in common? besdies our birth month? |
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ah, pleasure. i also have a voracious appetite for sex in general, ranging from reading and collecting literature about "it", writing erotica, photographing naked people, and well, doing it. not that i usually tell many people that. |
why bother discussing any of this? the whole thing makes me yawn and want to go take a nap. |
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i dunno. most people will remain unmoved. the others will just argue. but i can't help but thinking of this guy i knew. he sat in my living room one day having a pleasant conversation w/ me. the next day he was dead. some homophobic freaks killed him. they went to a gay bar because they wanted to kill a queer, & so they did. that probably won't move anybody here on the internet, but it's just my own thought as to why people should talk about homophobia. if those kids had learned that there's an alternative to homophobia--or at least to fagbashing--maybe they wouldn't have killed the guy. then again, they probably would have done it anyway. stupidity never dies. regardless of how obsessively homophobic somebody wants to act online, at least they're just using words. i'd rather see somebody spending twelve hours a day typing out a veritable two-ton manifesto of anti-gay sentiment than to go out & kill somebody. remember, if they're busy typing, they're not out killing. & if nothing else, it's still a public forum & people do have a right to their opinion, regardless of how unpopular. i think of pilate...when his lover was murdered, somebody was overheard in the crowd saying, "what the fuck? it was just some faggot. who cares?" pilate cares. deep down into his soul & every day of his fucking life. to me, such comments reveal the depths to which society has become depersonalized & diseased. granted, these online discussions probably won't help tip the balance one way or another. they'll just devolve into rambling, tautological, space-sucking arguments & unfounded assertions that smell like cliches. but i do think that people should talk about The Big Stuff sometimes. homophobia. racism. the bullshit that divides us when we should be working together. all of humanity has been dropped down into the same soul-swallowing morass of shit, & some people have no more grace & wisdom than to fight & fight & fight, when the correct response is to help give someone a hand out of the shitpile. if god's out there, he's laughing his ass off at our stupidity. we'll kill each other before offering help. humanity will never figure it out, either--not because we're too stupid, but because we're too damn stubborn. humans are weird goddamn animals. they can find miraculous cures for disease, but still can't manage to be nice to one another on a daily basis. at least that's what i think, as i sit here exhausted, w/ a headache the size of toronto. i realize that my comments probably don't have a damn thing to do w/ the present discussion. if so, sorry. i just thought i'd say all that stuff before slinking off to bed. never mind me. carry on. |
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Crimson said it best above. Stupidity never dies. thats fucking true as death. people are always going to be small minded and ignorant about things that cause them fear. all you can really do as an individual is try to avoid living life that way yourself. I try every day to affect the world in a positive way or to at least avoid affecting anyone else's life in a negative manner. I mean, there's enough negativity floating around as it is, grasp on to some of whats already there if you want it, don't create more yourself. you can't tell an idiot that though. sometimes i feel like i've been given a gift that lets me live in general harmony with the world around me. it would only seem natural and not so much like a gift except i seem to be one of very few who do it. be logical and have some motherfucking compassion for chrissakes. |
Everybody wang chung tonight. |
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mavis, you are sems pal in the Northwest right? |
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Now, who to ask for "lessons"? Anyone in mid-jersey here? |
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Or not. The thread kinda wore itself out. My conclusion from all of this: People can be what they want. Noone should worry their lives away over what other people are like. You can have your own opinion, even if you can't uphold it. Idiots will be forever. That's about it...what did everyone else learn? |
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What? They don't play Rob Halford or Pansy Division or Sleater-Kinney?? I would figure Judas Priest to be pretty excellent crazed party music anyway, for straights and gays. Come on, everyone get it on with "Turbo Lover" on the stereo! On a side note, I would like to apologize to everyone. It seems that I slacked off when it was my turn to fuck Satan's neck stump, and he somehow got a hold of his head again...Won't happen again, I swear. |
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I don't know about you, but personally, rock like Judas Priest and the rest (I am making an assumption and a generalization here) really doesn't get me going... However, wonderful music like No Use For a Name and Static-X really gets me, um, well...you know...but at the same time I really like real techno...not the "stuff" (I'll be nice) that most people play at dances and parties...::shudder:: Oh and don't forget the Misfits and Bauhaus and some Slayer! Something interesting...at a birthday party I attended on saturday, they were playing tons of crap music like what pilate and crimson complain of...so I empathize. Still, just because some music is crap, doesn't mean that all music in that genere sucks. Listen to something like The Mephisto Oddyssey or old-school Prodigy/Chem Brothers, or try the Orb and Plastikman. Anyway, someone i was speaking to there mentioned to me that he was kinda suprised that someone who is primarily a metalhead (me) would like Jethro Tull...and he stated that a lot of metalheads he knows are also really into Tull...anyone here have any ideas? |
i've met a number of metalheads who were into tull. when i was about 14, i learned to play all the different parts of tull's "bouree"...bass, flutes, the whole thing. all i had to work w/ was a tiny, beat-up old tape recorder. i'd listen to songs intensely through the crackling old recorder & pick them apart, learning them intimately. i had to do it secretly, because i wasn't supposed to listen to rock n' roll. i dissected tull, rush & whatever music i could get hold of, learning to play all the different parts. then i could take what i'd learned & apply it to my own original music. as an adult, i've taken a lot of crap for liking tull, but when you try to dismantle a tull song & relearn all the parts, you'll find out that it's a more complex band than many people think. also, ian anderson had the sense to hire barrymore barlowe on drums. damn fine drummer. |
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music is at another fucked up state like it was in the late eighties and early nineties right before Nevermind hit. all these boy bands and britney spears shit. all these bands with that third eye blind cookie cutter sound. drives me right up the fucking wall. times like these is when i turn to jazz and blues. shit that is pretty much timeless. "nowadays the songs on the radio all, all drive me crazy." |
all around me children playing having fun it's the season love and understanding merry chirstmas everyone |
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