you all suck!!!!!!!

It's kinda sad how people can't seem to get their point & opinions across without bashing/condeming others for their own. All this "you suck"... "they suck"... wow, I never knew how much "sucked." I agree with what PJ was saying. I think music is a wonderful thing and it's purpose is to entertain and make people happy. To evoke some sort of feeling from them. It's perfectly fine for you not to like a certain group or song, but is it really necessary to come down on them or their audience? There are certain artists who I don't like (ie. Marilyn Manson) but I don't condemn others for liking him/his music. I let them have what they like, as they should let me have what I like. This isn't to say you can't have an opinion. Or the right to voice it. I just don't agree with the way in which some people choose to do so. As for selling out? I hear this used all too much also. Half the time people say that not even fully knowing what they're talking about but rather are just going along with what they've heard from others. People need to make money. If they have a talent (despite what you may think.. obviously someone out there thinks they have talent because they are selling their albums and making money) and can make money from this, then I say more power to them. I may not agree with some of the ways which they choose to do so. (ie. Ken Griffey Jr. won't just autograph things anymore, he charges little kids for his autograph. I think that's flat out wrong. I know it's not music related, but you see what I'm saying?) But I won't suddenly say that their music sucks. Hrmm... I like music. I guess that's why I'm so open to all. I agree a lot of artists today are in this for the wrong reasons, ie. just the money/fame.. but given the chance I know a lot of you would do the same. Maybe not intending to do so at first or even realizing you were. But sometimes we let that kind of stuff get the better of us and lose sight of what's important and in the case, I'd say it's making your music, being heard and making people feel... something, anything. I like Matchbox 20 and 3rd Eye Blind also. And *nod* Jim, classical music.. definitely good stuff. I love my classical CD's and use those as an escape from all this other stuff sometimes. Makes me miss playing in orchestra though. :(

you all suck!!!!!!!

*Giggles @ Swine* I knew I could count on you. ;)

I like to put on Merzbow for people who claim to be 100% open-minded towards music. If they don't kick the stereo and scream for me to shut it off, they've earned a cookie. A big one.

Hmmm, never heard of Merzbow. I'll have to look into that. But a big cookie sounds good. I'll be at your place around 8pm, Starchy.

Liar. You stood me up! Not that I was home, or had a cookie for you...

Oops, uhhh I ummmm, err hrmmm... Well you see, I well, ummm I was washing my hair! Yeah. No, hmmm.. that's not it.. hmmm.. I was washing the drag queen's hair! Yes! That's what I was doing. Save that cookie for me, I'll make it there someday! Better yet, make it a twinkie. That's supposed to last a lot longer than a cookie.

><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> Man, this is pathetic. Do you guys bash people who don't like the same foods that you do? No, you're right, that would be ridiculous... but from some of your comments, I wouldn't be surprised... Anyway, I'm looking for Biz Markie's "Just a Friend" in mp3 format. I did a web-wide search like this: Biz Markie > Just a Friend > mp3 ...which returned 4 sites: one of which didn't even have it, one that wanted to trade for it (I have nothing to trade), and two that had bad links to it. If anybody can help, please email me or post a note here. Thanks alot : ) ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

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Hey Starchy...interesting to hear someone rapping about Mr. Merzbow here on Sorabji. You're definitely right on the crowd-clearing potential and I just thought I'd make a sidenote here that I was actually priviledged enough to see the man perform live once...my skull was vibrating for a couple days after that one. Saw a couple other of those Japanese noise artists too...K.K. Null (solo guitar scraping...liked it when he started screaming directly into the guitar pickups. He played a biker bar on one of his couple gigs in the area and definitely made quite a "scene"), and Omoide Hatoba, oh yeah Zeni Geva (K.K. Null's 3 piece band) too, although thats a little more rock-ist in tendencies. You know, I'm not really what you'd call a "fan" of the music although I am kind of intrigued by it and appreciate it in a more abstract kind of way. One thing I've found with some of that stuff is (although most of the Merzbow really is off the deep end on the white noise quotient) that if you let your head adjust to it for a few minutes, it almost becomes mellow in a strange sort of way as the various layers start to unfold. I think, if listened to openly, the structure of some of the more intelligently constructed "noise artists" material can be appreciated in much the same way that you can appreciate other musics, such as classical, etc. It's uses are definitely, shall we say, a little more limited than your average tuneage, though some of it IS pretty interesting. Seeing it live is sort of an eye-opener...makes it easier to appreciate on some level, much like free-jazz.

To blindswine: thanks, but that link's dead, too...

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Ah music...sweet music It's always the same - One says says My (artist, genre, band, etc.) Is the best! the next one says he she it they suck! then the next says Why can't we all agree to disagree? Opinions about music always seem passive and pathetic to me. When someone says I like this or I hate this, the person is really saying I am the kind of person who likes/hates this. I think people realize what a private thing the love of music is, and are sensitive about what it might reveal. Then the shouting and careful choosing of who or what music you'll be associated with starts. And then we display the Merzbow CD prominently, and stick the Matchbox 20 CD in a drawer somewhere. Hock your stereos, everybody...buy a guitar if ya don't already have one (or whatever instrument you want) or if ya ain't got the fingers, sing in the shower. Don't watch MTV, for god's sake...see the bands live or not at all. If ya want.

Bryan: screaming into the pickups is an old Steve Albini trick, but KK Null ain't bad. (check out Jordan, Minnessota by Big Black) As far as experimental guitarists go, though, I've recently been converted to Jim Plotkin - saw him perform with Mark Spybey of Dead Voices on Air the other night, and it was truly mindblowing. They do sort of an organic minimalist noise thing... definately worth checking out. They'll have a release out on Kranky Records next week - sorry, don't know the URL. But, yeah... Merzbow... MMmm...

screaming into pickups goes back WAY before steve albini, fella.

..I like to put on matchbox 20 and whitney houston for people who claim to be 100% open about music. Most of the time, they just need an excuse to parade their self-images. So then I put on the radio.

wow - 6 years later and music is so much worse I shudder to think where we will be in another 6 years time

On Smug Bug's point, people have a hard time judging me when I say my favourite genre's of music are Death Metal and Classical Indian. In short, I agree, music has become a way of getting social acceptance. While a person would love Rush, he/she would not like Dream Theater because "They are lyke so metuhl." PS: For those who think there is no good rap today. Try searching for some lesser knowns like Talib Kweli and Canibus. PPS: Allan Holldsworth is crimnally underated.

i agree with Smugbug... you guys are all judging each other way too much over each others taste in music! calm it.... you shoudn't have to get all worked up etc over the fact that someone doesn't like the same band as you, but should generally try to be more open about your taste in music. i personally like basically all genre's of music, so many people see my collection and are like: 'why in the hell do you have that??" then they look down and say "wow! i like them too!" thats awesome. it's the way it should be! all your opinions should be like that. music is something which you can connect to completely, and let yourself go to while listening. so, people shouldn't be judged over the way they have found that escape. open your souls kiddos!! :D xxx