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By patrick on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 01:41 pm:

    Ok.

    I can't stand it anymore.

    Even though most of my friends and family don't know yet, i guess im pretty personal with you freaks so here goes.










    Call me daddy!


    Can i tell you how excited I am?

    This is still very very new to us, but its amazing how quick things can change. How quickly your lifestyle can screeech to a stop and a new way of thinking comes about.


    Im sure my attempt at being cryptic on WAYD was futile, but there, now its out.

    Only our respective mothers and my bosses know and a close girlfriend who has had two children.

    Now you monkeys know.

    The due date is April 1st! The date of conception was July 4th (just doing my duty SIR!).

    I think we're hoping for a girl but would be delighted with either.

    I saw it for the first time yesterday in an ultrasound.

    Only about 2 millimeters big so far, but its there.

    I made bacon!!!!




By Dougie Monkey on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 01:51 pm:

    That's great Patrick! Congratulations! Hopefully he inherits your John Thomas and your wife's good looks, and not the other way around.


By Kalli on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 01:58 pm:

    I've already told you like six times but congrats
    tootsie. Yer gonna be a beautiful daddy.

    And I'm with Dougie on that one...


By Dougie on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:04 pm:

    Do we get to name him/her? I'm sure we could come up with something very tasteful!


By Czarina on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:06 pm:

    I stand and salute you fer doing yer patriotic duty!

    Congrads. Have you considered naming it Czarina?


By patrick on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:09 pm:

    we have toyed with a name for years now....


    girl= Eva Jude

    boy= Sam (we havent gotten the middle yet, but we know we want his name to be sam)


    if you know my last name, then do the math...if not...oh well.


By Dougie on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:17 pm:

    Give him 2 middle names: Sam I Am Morrison

    or the ever popular Doug E Fresh Morrison

    Jude is a boy's name, no? Can't have that for a girl. How about Eva Braun Morrison? Or Eva Doug E Fresh Morrison?


By Czarina on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:22 pm:

    Eva Czarina has a nice ring to it..........


By Dougie on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:24 pm:

    Actually it does. Go with it Patty.


By Nate on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:28 pm:

    it's a boy. i'm pretty sure.


By patrick on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:36 pm:

    hey dougie...thanks an all, but if it wasnt obvious i was trying NOT to print my last name.

    I think Jude is a neutral name. If not, let us be the first.

    actually naticus a close friend who has had two kids said that it makes her think its a girl. If you factor in the date from her last period, to conception etc etc. she seemed to think its a girl. apparently female sperm can live longer in the uterus....or something to that effect.

    who knows. i might be willing to put a wager on it though.





    czarina....no.


By Czarina on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:54 pm:

    Well,fine.


    FYI,it depepends on the alkalinity in the vaginal tract,at the time of intercourse,to determine the sex of the offspring.

    Not that my feelings are hurt,or anything.


By J on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:56 pm:

    Congrats Patrick!! Boy or girl,when they are babies,toddlers,little people,they are both cute. Boy your life is never going to be the same now.


By Dougie on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 03:11 pm:

    Sorry dude, thought it was common knowledge. My bad.


By Platypus on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 03:24 pm:

    cool beans!

    I'm so happy for you.

    I've never been able to see anything in ultrasounds. They point and say "look, a baby/liver/whatever they're ultrasounding for" and I go "aahhhhh...".

    Anyway. Congrats.


By semillama on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 03:45 pm:

    One thing's certain, it will have the coolest
    baby clothes out there.

    Congrats, Patrick!


By Nate on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 03:47 pm:

    we'll see patty. i usually get it right.


By Kalli on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 05:12 pm:

    im gonna guess girl. ill bet you a frappe nate.


By kazoointoit on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 05:36 pm:

    Congratulations Patrick. Babies are swell and they smell nice, well most of the time anyway. And I'm all for Jude for a girl, especially as a middle name...Eva Jude...feminine, but strong. I like it.


By papa on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 06:03 pm:

    thanks people.


By Kalliope on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 06:56 pm:

    im proud of you toots.

    really.

    its like watching you grow up right before my eyes. :)


By Cat on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 10:48 am:

    Congrats Patrick. What lovely news.


    xooxox


By Dani on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 06:17 pm:

    Congradulations Patty.


    You know you want to name her Dani.



By patrick on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 03:20 pm:

    what a loopy weekend.

    it is quite an adjustment for us...not to be drinkin and smokin all the damn time.

    people are asking us "are you ok?" when I request water and deny a smoke.

    Its hard to keep such a secret from these people who are ready for an intervention when i tell them im not drinking that night.

    I did smoke a little weed, away from her, with her blessing.

    Being baked and telling myself "you're going to be a daddy (echo) daddy daddy daddy daddy daddy daddy daddy", room spinning, water going down your throat like drain pipe on hoover damn...that'll learn ya fast!

    in a matter of weeks we'll be even better but its this first part thats proving tough.


By Spider on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 03:52 pm:

    Congratulations, Patrick and Nico!

    I bet it will be a girl, too. I like the name Ava better than Eva, but that's just because I know a sweet and lovely 10-year-old Ava and wish all kids could be like her. She's got red hair, as your kid may have.


By patrick on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 04:27 pm:

    nico seems to think red hair skips a generation, though i've seen entire red headed families. most likely the little weiner will sport my brown hair. thats what nico hopes for anyway.


By Spider on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 04:34 pm:

    Red hair is recessive but weird (I think it has 3 alleles), so (if I'm not mistaken) unless you've got red hair in your family, your kid will probably have dark hair.


By eri on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:05 pm:

    I have dark hair, my ex has dark hair, Hayley comes out with blonde hair. You never know. Red hair is cool, from what I have seen it usually skips a generation, but recessive genes are amazing.

    Good luck. Congratulations.


By agatha on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:13 pm:

    your entire life is about to change, patrick. buckle up and enjoy the ride.

    for the record, i like eva and jude, but not together.


By Margret on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:59 pm:

    Wowsers. I'm...intrigued.
    OK, so...middle name that goes with sam, middle name that goes with sam...
    How about...sam memphis...home of elvis and...the ancient greeks...do i smell, smell home cooking? it's only the river...it's only the river...
    or, umm, sam henry...i have always liked the name henry...


By eri on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 09:09 pm:

    I like Eva and Jude for girls. Together doesn't bother me either. I like unusual names. My favorite girl name is Emma, but spunky wouldn't have that one.

    My uncle was born on April 1st. We call him our April Fool.

    Things are going to change. But you will not look back with longing....too often.

    Anyways, I am happy for you. And female sperm does live longer than male sperm, but it is really the natural acids on her cervix that decide which ones get in, so it could go either way.


By Nate on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 12:30 am:

    mmm. natural acid.


By moonit on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 04:10 am:

    Congrats Dad ; )


By patrick on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 11:31 am:

    i had a dream i took acid.


    anyway...

    the mrs reminded me, we would name him

    sam drew

    drew is my middle name, my grandparents family name and a name i would love to give.

    we had this conversation sometime before but apparently i forgot.

    the name henry makes me think of a man in overalls who beats his kids.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 11:36 am:

    oh you know....something else im observing...

    do you notice the smell pregnant women take on?


    i've noticed this in the past being around other pregnant women.

    and now im noticing it with ma lady.

    there is a special brand of girl funk that seems to be coming with this whole deal.

    maybe its in my head, but i swear there is the new brand of scent that is strong. its neither good, nor bad...comforting maybe, but not smelly.

    kinda like how puppies smell. you know? a distinct scent, neither good nor bad, but almost sweet. its human. animal. it is.


By Dougie the Answer Man on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 11:43 am:

    If the preggo smell gets to be too much Patrick, go hog wild with those Glade thingies that you put in the outlets and that'll kill any odor within a 10 mile radius of your house.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 11:45 am:

    like is said, its not bad...its just distinct. its my wife, she never smells.


By J on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 02:23 pm:

    Nobody ever told me I smelled different when I was pregnant,but they could have been afraid to.


By Dougie on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 02:33 pm:

    I woke up late this morning and didn't shower, nor did I use any deodorant, so I got that skunky kind of underarm thing going on.


By J on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 03:38 pm:

    This may have something to do with the trout picture in your bathroom.


By spunky on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 03:52 pm:

    I noticed the smell on Eri.
    Like Patrick said, it is not a bad smell.
    Just unique.


    And like Agatha said, hold on my friend.
    Your life is about to do a 180.


By spunky on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 03:54 pm:

    Hmmm
    any relation to van?


By patrick on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 03:55 pm:

    me?

    no.

    sometimes i pull people's leg about Van or Jim but otherwise no.


By The Dinner Lady on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 04:05 pm:

    Perfect place to buy gifts for the new arrival:

    http://www.dookiewear.com/

    Congrats Patrick!

    PS: I think you should call you baby 'The Dinner Baby'


By spunky on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 05:24 pm:

    I could so do a dumb pun joke here..
    Waiting on the Sun.......


By spunky on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 05:27 pm:


By eri on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 06:08 pm:

    Pregnant women do have a different smell from the hormonal changes. I was always told that I smelled different (not bad, but different) when I was pregnant and that people could tell I was pregnant before I even knew it because of that smell. Spunky noticed it all of the time.

    My ex noticed it, too. So did my old boss. I think it is some kind of pheromone thing...not that but like it.


By Dougie on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 06:49 pm:

    Could be, J, could be.


By patrick on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 12:01 pm:

    i saw the lil bugger yesterday.

    heartbeat and everything.

    looked like a lima bean.

    those ultra sound machines give you neat little printouts of the screen.

    i have my first portrait.

    im collecting these to coincide with a 9 month long photo essay im hoping to do.


By eri on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 12:28 pm:

    We saved those sonogram pictures, too and put them in Micki's baby book. Just remember to keep them out of the sunlight.


By Antigone on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 01:53 pm:

    Why? Is your kiddie a vampire?


By eri on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 02:09 pm:

    The papers that they print the sonogram pictures on fades in sunlight.


By Ophelia on Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 11:20 am:

    congrats, patrick. babies are very cute. yikes. you're gonna be all grown up now.


By patrick on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 01:30 pm:


By Dougie on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 02:16 pm:

    Eeewww.


By Antigone on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 02:46 pm:

    That chick has some HANDS, man.


By eri on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 02:54 pm:

    At least the baby wasn't kicking so that you could see a little fist or foot sticking out the edge of her stomach. Towards the end of my pregnancy with Hayley you could see the little hand and foot print raised in my belly. That used to gross out the people I worked with.


By Nate on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 04:49 pm:

    i wonder why.

    hey patty, since you're not hitting the bong or anything you should get a good sugar habit going.

    i highly recommend taking a basket of berries, pouring about 1/3 cup of white sugar over them and then dousing them in heavy cream.

    for some reason it's really good.


By patrick on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 05:13 pm:

    i think i could deal with feet and hands poking out more than areolae run amuck.





    jesus nate.


By eri on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:33 am:

    areolae run amok? I didn't have too many changes in that area, other than I finally got big enough to have some cleavage, and the drop felt when a baby is crying for food, but that isn't noticable to the eye. You would be surprised how little the changes are in reflection to breast milk.

    My only advice there is if she decides to nurse the baby get her some breast pads, because when the milk comes in or when the baby cries they tend to leak.

    The only gross part for me was when I started leaking during my second pregnancy and it dried on there. Other than that, watching the baby move is grosser.

    I hate pregnancy with a passion reserved for very few things, but I am usually very sick and miserable. Aside from health reasons I only have one really bad memory during any of my pregnancies. When Hayley first started moving inside of me I would tell my ex-husband and he would tell me it was all in my head and I just had gas. He said that for months. For some reason I can't explain it really hurt me, and still does to this day.

    I say this because you won't be able to see the baby moving early on (it will start moving between 16-20 weeks) and you might be inclined to have the same reaction. Please don't. It is an amazing thing, and not to be disregarded easily.

    I have seen pictures of your wife, and she is thin and very beautiful. If I had to guess, she will not become fat, but gain weight right and toward the end of the pregnancy you will be able to determine body parts of the baby...arm, foot, elbow, hand, knee when the baby moves, because it will push out from her belly. It sounds gross, I know, but to see that little footprint sticking up is really amazing.

    I know a lot of guys who can't handle it. It sicks them out. Some of them physically become nauseous. I don't think you are one of those guys. I hope you can enjoy this pregnancy with her. You both deserve it.


By Daniel ssss on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:17 pm:

    Hay Patrick, congrats. Jeez, I leave for a while and look what happens...and I think Dani is right, Dani is a good name. And if perhaps a boys, I'd be pleased to have a namesake too. It's much easier to decide, not like Frankie and Louise, that's a big decision.


By Dani on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:11 pm:

    Thank you Dan.
    I'm quite fond of the name myself.
    I think Patty is on one of his " lets ignore Dani" kicks but I know deep down inside of him, he'd love to name his baby Dani.


By Nate on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:33 pm:

    i'm going to name my first born 'taco supreme'

    just like that.

    second will be 'usukteach billy'.

    that will be great fun in gradeschool.

    third will be 'thor'.

    no middle name.

    fourth will be 'mitre box'

    fifth 'tankden schtoned'

    sixth 'patrick drew'

    no one ever likes the sixth born much, anyway.

    seventh, of course, will be 'nate III'

    III being the middle name.

    eighth, 'kay mart'. go michigan!

    ninth, 'juanita chi-ping'

    she'll be adopted, obviously.

    i'd be crazy to have any more than that. if i accidently do have another, i'll just pick words at random from the dictionary.




By TBone on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:52 am:

    I'd name mine Bacon.


By Dan-i-ell-e-us ssss -us on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:37 am:

    Draiiconus Bacononmynus would be good too. Actually, way back when I was married to the mother of my chilluns, the ex and I decided to have twins and name them Seth and Beth, and then teach them to list, as their last name would would "Smith"........but then we didn't have twins.


By Nate on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 02:05 am:

    lisp?

    ships list, shits lisp.

    that's how i always remember the difference.

    fag then flag, flag then fag.

    in case you need to voyage naval.


By Alex on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 09:32 am:

    there was a lady on the plane on the way over to CA who had huge man-hands.

    great news Patrick

    babys smell nice.(thats not the great news btw.)


By patrick on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:06 pm:

    not intentionally ignoring you dani, i just don't have anything to say.

    thank you for your well wishes.

    i don't think dani is a good name for my spawn.

    you bastard nate.


By semillama on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:38 pm:

    Have you told your family yet?

    and you are right, those areolas were quite
    frightening.


By patrick on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:00 pm:

    our respective parents know.

    we havent spilled to extended family, siblings, grandparents, uncles, aunts etc. yet.

    we'll wait another month


By Dani on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:39 pm:

    I was just teasing you Patty.
    What I meant by ignoring me was when I wished you congradulations, standard procedure is to say thanks to the person who wished you well. You just did..9 days late but whatever. No biggie.


    I always said that if I ever had another baby girl, I would name her Kayci. I dont know why but I just like that name.
    Maybe because it goes well with Kim.
    No more babies for me. Kim is almost 12 now and I'd be crazy to do it again.
    1 is enough.
    School started today and I feel lost without my Kim. What the hell am I going to do with all this free time again?


By eri on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 03:00 pm:

    We just watched the videos of Micki in the hospital yesterday. We had to do an overnight stay with her, before we got to take her home and during the overnight EVERYONE came to visit, so we had my parents, my ex's parents and Spunky's grandparents all in the room on the video at once. It made me miss the baby phase (not that I am even considering having any more, I don't have a death wish). Reminded me of how wonderful they are when they are so small. It also had Grandpa Lyle and my Grandmother on it, so of course, I had to cry like a baby, watching them hold and talk, and play with Micki. Made me miss them all over again.

    Either way, when babies are small, and you are their whole world, it is amazing, and as they grow you forget the little phases they went through two years ago.


By JusMiceElf on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:13 pm:

    Yo Patrick, congratulations! That's great news; I wish you and Nico all the best with your little one to be!


By patrick on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 11:33 am:

    dani, i didnt want to poop up a thread with thank you's after every single post.


    so i purposely waited a while to collectively thank everyone for their well wishes. which ive done


    and will do again.



    thank you people your well wishes are appreciated.


    this thread has nine months to grow.


By wisper on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:49 pm:

    good lord Patty, made on the 4th of July, born on April fools? LOL that is perfect!
    ;)

    But i hope it's born on April 2nd. That is the very best birthday ever.

    Fess up, how many times did you consider calling it Jim if it's a boy? Come on. You DID. Buy some tiny little leather pants.....
    Rock N' Roll, baby!!!

    next comes the mini van, sucker!

    aww, i love ya.


By patrick on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:54 pm:

    more like a Volvo rather than a mini van. thats not as bad is it?

    actually this is the first ive though of calling him Jim.

    im kinda grinning right now.


By Nate on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:49 pm:

    mojo risen as a middle name, atleast.


By wisper on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:10 pm:


    that, or Dr.Funkenstein


By Gee on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:51 pm:

    I hope you guys enjoy having a child, and teach her (I sense a girl as well) to be polite to others and use common sense. Common sense is so important - I cannot stress that enough. Please do not let your child grow up to be stupid. Oh, and buy her lots of presents. If you're worried about spoiling her, feel free to buy Me lots of presents. I deserve so much.



    (haha, I know Patrick's last name!! heeheehee!! I go hunt you down now! hee hee! if you get any pizza delivered to your house in the middle of the night IT WASN'T ME! It was probably J. She's like that.)


By patrick on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 12:24 pm:

    if you can find a place that delivers pizza in the middle of the night, knock yourself out. 99.9% of all pizza places in the world close by midnight sugartits.

    Yeah i was thinking of letting her grow up stupid, but you sold me...smart it IS!


By The Watcher on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:01 pm:

    Oh, my God. Not another Breader.

    Taking money out of my pocket to raise his spawn.

    Boo!!! Hiss!!!

    In other words I'm extreamly envious!!. And, I'm sure not matter what it is you two will raise it right.


By patrick on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:09 pm:

    takin money out of your pocket? how is that happening?


By Nate on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:07 pm:

    tax credit, baby.

    one of the biggest inequities in US tax law.


By patrick on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:18 pm:

    what about the sales tax on the items I will purchase for said kid? in years time, that should offset the deduction i get.


By Nate on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:03 pm:

    i don't live in LA, buddy. i do live in the USA.


By patrick on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:09 pm:

    hmmmm


    maybe you should just go ahead and have children nate.


By The Watcher on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:25 pm:

    Oh, you will spend a lot more than your little tax deduction bringing the kid up.

    But, that really doesn't matter. Because, for every kid you have you get a little deduction. Whereas. we who don't have kids will not.

    I think it's great you're having a kid. But, every year I get a little peaved filling out my tax forms. I get nothing, and the family accross the street gets nine additional deductions.

    Oh, that number is true. They have nine kids. I think they wanted a baseball team.


By semillama on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:57 pm:

    Consider:
    The cost per year to raise a kid to 17 is now
    about $10,000.


By Platypus on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:30 pm:

    And the child tax credit is $500.


By Nate on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:31 am:

    and that is bullshit logic. taxes aren't some fine. there is a bill and it is split up among us all.

    you choose to have a child and suddenly i get stuck with extra tax burden. all because i burden society less by not having children.

    bullshit.


By pez on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:36 am:

    you know, you *could* secede...


By dave. on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:50 am:

    taxes are a "happy" fine. if rich is happy, then taxes are fine.


By dave. on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:09 am:

    all those poor rich folk out there. having to pony up to support the society that made their menial jobs so lucrative.

    hi, i'm a manager in a very important software company. we develop products that provide a measurably important service to our clients. until we came along, our clients didn't stand a chance at succeeding. mcdonalds managers work 10 times as hard as i do but i make several times as much money as they do because i manage IMPORTANT stuff. so, you should feel sorry for me when i whine about how unfairly i'm taxed because i work hard. really hard, i tell ya and it just ain't right.

    cue the fucking violins. . .


By kazoo on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:52 am:

    nice dave. :)

    Children are not a burden on society.

    Parents raise the next generation of workers, consumers, voters, tax payers....

    Yeah, that sounds fucking cheesy as all hell, but it's true.

    Children are a contribution to society and raising them is hard fucking work. Rewarding (from what I hear), but work nonetheless.


By Nate on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:40 am:

    it's not like the world is overpopulated, or anything.

    if no one could afford a mcdonald's cheeseburger, no one would have a job making one, much less managing the person making one. don't be a moron, dave.

    why did you buy the digital camera that you did, dave.? couldn't you buy a cheaper one? who cares what features it lacked, shouldn't you have bought the cheapest one you could find? hell, couldn't you have just picked up a rock from your yard? it would have been free, who cares if it couldn't do what you want a digital camera for? you could carry it around and call it a digital camera!

    if you can't afford children, you shouldn't have children. why should I pay you to have kids? why should i pay the bi-polar, alcoholic, psycho bitch to raise her violent, destructive little bitchboy?








By spunky on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:56 am:

    Hey, no one is paying us to raise our two girls!!!!!

    And guess what, WE ARE PAYING TAXES!

    I think it evens out in the wash.


By Nate on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:25 am:

    ok spunky, think about it this way: the US of A is a big house we all rent. there are four equal bedrooms, four people. rent is $1000 (ha!) per month. initially we each pay $250 a month. sounds fair.

    then, i decide to get a dog. there are certain costs associated with owning a dog, vet bills, food costs, etc. in fact, two others in the house get dogs too. you're the only one without a dog. sucker.

    why sucker? because at a house meeting we have a vote and decide that because the three of us are burdened with owning dogs, we should get a $50 monthly rent credit. three to one, the vote passes.

    now we all pay $200 per month. rent for the house is still $1000, so you get stuck with $400. your perception is that the dogs are loud and stinky and generally reduce your enjoyment of the house, however we all show you articles in Psychology, Today! that illustrate the calming benefits of dogs. sucker.


    sounds fair, right?



By spunky on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:35 am:

    I understand your point.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:50 am:

    just shut up and have a kid already.

    and stop fuckin up my beautiful thread with your whines.

    to sit back and complain about the system is soooo un capitalist of you homey. a good capitalist would capitalize.

    sooooo....start crankin them out. Imagine what you can do with that credit.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:06 pm:

    soon after makin and delivering said bacon, i think id want one of these.

    kinda ugly, but who cares....


By Spider on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:10 pm:

    Whoa....ugly. What would something like that cost?


By J on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:19 pm:

    Alchoholic? Psycho? Should I be taking this personaly?


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:26 pm:

    the vw website was saying in the mid 30s.

    hey anyone out there who was a smoker when you were pregnant? i need some advice.


By dave. on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:39 pm:

    the bottom line is take home pay -- how much they deposit into your account(s). your salary doesn't matter and shouldn't even be considered. when an employer tells you how much they'll pay you for a job, it should be simply how much you get to keep. why cares about the rest?

    nate, if you make half as much as i imagine you do, you'd probably still net 2 or 3 times above the national median gross income. go ahead and feel mistreated if you must, i think you're doing just fine. but, if you're having a hard time making ends meet during these rough times, i might be able to send you my child tax credit when i get my next return. if you think it would help.


By Spider on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:52 pm:


By Dani on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:53 pm:

    "if you can't afford children, you shouldn't have children. why should I pay you to have kids? why should i pay the bi-polar, alcoholic, psycho bitch to raise her violent, destructive little bitchboy?"

    I agree. Kids are very expensive to raise and should only be done so by the financially stable.

    I smoked while I was pregnant Patty. I couldnt stop. I tried and tried and tried but I just couldnt. Probably because I stopped drinking and stopped all drugs so cigarettes was all I had left. Plus I knew the hell I was in for when delivery time came so that made me nervous so I just lit up.
    What do you need advise about?










By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 03:14 pm:

    im pretty sure we can't afford our kids....but we'll figure it out.


    dani, considering you couldnt quit, your not someone i would go to for advice on the matter.

    im learning that pregnant women have infallable logic and are never wrong and are in general mean ass fucks especially when they are trying, unsuccessfully, trying to break a smoking habit.


By spunky on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:17 pm:

    My wife's grandmother said, and I agree with her,
    if you wait to have kids until you could afford it, then you might as well give up.

    Not counting college, it costs an average of $150.,000 to raise a child to 18.


By The Dinner Lady on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:11 pm:

    I don't debate that having a child, or pet, etc. costs lots of money. The question is, why should the government give tax breaks to people who have children? It's not like this is a credit for 'being poor', plenty of rich parents take this break as well. And children consume more government resources/programs like schooling and in many cases WIC, medicaid, free school lunches, etc. People without children are using fewer government services than those with children, but people without children pay more tax even though they are consuming less tax money in their daily life. Sort of an odd arrangement, isn't it?

    The creepy coded feeling answer is that the government rewards Americans for what it wants you to do. I'm a homeowner. I get a big tax break from that. But why? I probably needed it more BEFORE I owned a home. But the government rewards me for being a 'good doo-bee'. It creeps me out. If the tax credit comes back for married people it will be the same thing. But it's not like married people are more needy than others, in fact, since they live in closer quarters they arguably are often a more stable financial unit than the single (so many friends I envy whose spouse can carry them while they find a new job, go to school, etc.).

    I don't mind paying taxes for kids to go to school, or for social programs that I don't directly benefit from. That's the cost of society. The weird part to me is why people without children are asked to pay more into the pot than those with, regardless of income levels.

    But as I earlier noted, that's just Uncle Sam rewarding you for 'choosing the right' isn't it?


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:23 pm:

    there is no such thing as a marriage tax credit, just the opposite. marriage penalty tax and they are talking about doing away with it but the dems don't wanna and its not a priority.

    married people are NOT "arguably are often a more stable financial unit than the single". How are married people any different than two roomates sharing a house? We don't make any more money being married. This logic is fucked.

    The reason you get a credit for reproducing is pretty obvious people, I don't see where the confusion is coming from.

    Children are key to the wheel of American power and might.



    Besides you people arent paying MORE because others have children, we're just paying less. You are paying the same, so stop yer bitchin.






By Dani on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:54 pm:

    We have never received the child tax credit. We have never received a tax refund of any kind. We pay the IRS approx. $5000 every year for the last 15 years.
    We have never received any help with raising our child. It's our responsibility to support our child and we leave WIC and free lunches and medicaid and food stamps to the people that really need it.
    What bothers me is the people out there that just keep spitting out kid after kid and refuse to hold a steady job and make a decent living. There is money to be made out there. Plenty of it. But you have to be willing to work for it.
    Sponging off the government to support your family because your to lazy to work each day is wrong and in the long run, us taxpayers do pay the price one way or the other.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:15 pm:

    hey dani, werent you and your husband worried when you were smoking while pregnant? did he buy smokes for you?

    in otherwords, did he protest? did he enable you to smoke?

    what i thought was a reasonable answer to a request for a cigarette (no) is turning out to be a MAJOR problem.


By semillama on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:30 pm:

    Patrick, think about it. this is the logic. In
    general terms, One single person = one
    income household.
    Married couple= two income household.
    Yeah, i know tow single people could live
    together, and there are one income married
    couples, but the tax thing applies.

    I know so many people who would not be
    homeowners if they were not married.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:42 pm:

    theres nothing preventing singles from buying homes.

    the whole reason behind the marriage penalty, as I understand it, in the beginning was what you guys are insisting that being married meant you shared certain expenses.

    ok, granted. BUT so do roomate scenarios, or what about married couples who live in large houses with roomates? SO maybe then the penalty should be based on how many people/incomes per household? right? not whether or not they are married? what about lovers living together? thats much much much more common these days, and dont they benefit just like married couples do in terms of expense? should they be penalized? thats the problem with the marriage penalty, across the board. It assumes too much.


By semillama on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:21 pm:

    exactly. it's based on "traditional family values"
    which in my book has come to mean "white
    relijimous folks tryin' to ack-wire regulatium
    over de highly rhythmic individ'ls and such."


By Dani on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:25 pm:

    My Husband begged me to stop smoking. I would try and do good for a day or two and then I would start thinking about delivery day and go get some Newports.
    I did however manage to cut way down during my pregnancy. Instead of 10-15 per day, I was down to about 4-5 per day.
    I ate right, took my pre-natal vitamins, and excersised but I just couldnt totally quit smoking.
    In the beginning, he totally refused to buy cigarettes for me so I would just go get them myself. After a few months when he realized that I just was not gonna quit, he ended buying them for me.
    I had this horrible fear throughout my entire pregnancy about delivery. I dont know why but it was a very bad and terrifying fear. I couldnt shake the fear for anything.
    I had no problems at all quitting drinking and drugs but I just couldnt stop smoking.
    I was lucky...her birth weight was normal and there was no damage at all as a result of my smoking.
    To be totally honest, I have never ever met anyone that had any problems with their babies as a result of their smoking.
    I'm sure it aint the best thing to do while pregnant but I also think that people make much to big of a deal over smoking while pregnant.
    I dont think a few cigarettes a day is gonna hurt anyone.
    Just my opinion.


By semillama on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:41 pm:

    I have two learning disabilities that have been
    tied to my mother smoking while I was in the
    womb.

    so there you go.


By kazoo on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:45 pm:

    Second hand smoke has been linked to SIDS


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:46 pm:

    well, one of the doctors whom she first saw, some Albanian guy said a couple of cigarettes a day will not hurt. (He also said the prenatal vitamins are good if we want to grow our child like a hormone fed chicken....so you can see where his non western perspective is coming from.)

    hes also not our regular doc.

    i've been very over protective and insistant on the smoking and the eating habits....probably a complete pain in the ass, but i have to feel like im able to help out one way or the other. otherwise i feel powerless and im trying to cope with that.

    so, im just not enabling her to smoke, meaning i dont have any in the house anymore, and ive taken to cooking most of the time, so i know shes getting a decent meal.

    but i think i have a right to be upset.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

    this is after birth kazoo?


By kazoo on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:50 pm:

    well yeah...sorry, just reacting to the overall possibilities of the effects of smoking on babies


By kazoo on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:51 pm:

    And Patrick, I think your contribution to the prenatal care of the wee bairn is one to be applauded...

    let's bring some JOY back to this thread

    hooray for daddy patrick


By Dani on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:56 pm:

    It always amazed me that with all this talk about how dangerous cigarette smoking is to ourselves and those around us but yet we can walk into any gas station, convenience store, airport, supermarket etc...etc... and buy as much as we want..legally.


By patrick on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:57 pm:

    i wish it were being met with the same sort of enthusiasm you are displaying at home.


    pregnant women are fucking mean.


By kazoo on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:04 pm:

    hmmm...is it anxiety, like because it's still early? I'd be a cranky wreck. Not trying to be nosy...though, here I don't suppose it matters.

    Speaking of which, are you going to start telling people...or have you?


By Dani on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:28 pm:

    It'll be alright Patty. It's your first time so being all nervous and worried is justified.
    Let me ask you something...although your not enabling her to smoke, dont you think she's gonna smoke outside the house?
    Here's a tip: badgering a pregnant woman could be harmful to your health and well being.
    Besides, she could be doing much worse things while pregnant than just smoking a few cigarettes so be glad about that.
    Ease up a little dude. Things will be just fine.


By spunky on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:21 pm:

    Hey, I need to put my two pennies worth in here...
    SIDS means "The baby died and we are not sure why, so we are going to call it SIDS."

    I rank that along with "Coffee leads to bone marrow cancer" or "cell phones cause brain cancer" and "Teflon can flake off and give you food poisoning"


By Dani on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:32 pm:

    The cause of SIDS is anyones guess.
    There is no medical explanation.

    One day tomatoes are good for you and the next day they are bad for you.

    Who really knows.

    One day the doctor will tell you that having a single glass of wine while pregnant wont hurt you.
    The next day the doctor will tell you that it could be harmful.

    Who really knows.


By Nate on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:43 pm:

    "Besides you people arent paying MORE because others have children, we're just paying less. You are paying the same, so stop yer bitchin."

    dumbass. trace understands this, why don't you?

    here's an example you'll understand: we split an OZ, you and I. we each put in half the money and there it is, an OZ on the table.

    now, since my cock is smaller than yours, i decide i am owed an extra 8th. so i get 5/8ths of the stash.

    i get MORE weed, you don't get LESS. see?


By Cat on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:06 am:

    I'd like to put my penises worth in too, but I'm not that kinda girl.


By Nate on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:07 am:

    the cockless never fail to amaze me.


By Cat on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:18 am:

    I am amazed by my cocklessness too.

    I musta left it at the store.


By pez on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:53 am:

    sids means "sudden infant death syndrome" which means it's the reason for death if there isn't any other.

    secondhand smoke being link to sids.... that's entirely logical, as cigarettes contain 200 some chemical compounds that have diverse effects of adult lungs, let alone those of a small child.

    one thing to point out: cars are expensive and gobble up our resources but nobody gets a tax credit for owning one, now do they?


By semillama on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:44 am:

    The American lifestyle as a whole is
    expensive and gobbles up resources. We
    should all get tax credtis.

    Except for Pez and Ralph Nader.


By patrick on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:26 am:

    nate that has to be the most ridiculous, convuluted, crackpot example yet.

    nate if we have two equal piles of weed, in order to comp your more for your shortcomings, it has to come from somewhere...if you get 5/8ths, i get 3/8ths. Its not like the ounce gets bigger to accomodate your cock.

    what i dont understand is your bitch about it, it seems un-natian thing to bitch about.



    regardless......


    yes kazoo, its anxiety, im sure. its adjustment. our lifestyle, though not "the fast lane" it wasnt exactly the "slow lane" either. So much is changing. This past weekend was tough because it happened to be the biggest party weekend in my neighborhood, free concerts with kick ass bands etc etc etc. I was a bit selfish and paid for it.


    and yes dani, badgering a pregnant woman is no good.

    i asked my friend Lisa C about it, as she recently had a baby, i said "preganant women smell funny and are mean". She told her husband and he replied "shut up, do as your told and hopefully no one gets hurt". Lisa added "and tell her how beautiful and brave she is everyday of the week and hopefully no one gets hurt".

    point accepted.

    and no dani, i dont think she is smoking out side the home, i know her habits. during the day shes fine, like me, its in the evening, relaxing a cigarette is most enjoyable.

    one thing you are forgeting pez....children who grow up to be adults (i.e. workers) ARE resources that pay off for their initial investment....or so the gov't hopes. Humans ARE ball bearings in the machine. The tax break is encouragement for taking on the investment.


By kazoo on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:24 pm:

    Hang in there dude.

    When the little one grabs your finger in her tiny, tiny fist for the first time....




By The Watcher on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:40 pm:

    Not to put a downer in this thread.

    But, patrick have you heard about the Minnisota Vikings player whose wife died because of complications during her pregnancy.

    She was 24 years old and only four months pregnant.

    I'd say this gives your wife something to be worried about.

    In other words learn that she is the boss and take it.


By patrick on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:46 pm:

    its not a downer because that sort of thing happens a lot more than you know, it just happened to stike some 4th stringer from an NFL team. Big deal.

    so...in other words, im no more concerned about it now than I was before i learned of this.

    also..."complications" can mean anything. she could have had a drug problem, or had some other condition.


By J on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:02 pm:

    Well I can honestly say I was scared to death the first time I was pregnant,I was a breech baby and my mom always reminded me of the hell she went through passing me out. And your body goes through so many changes,I remember looking at my body during the 9th month and thinking that the ship was sunk now.When I finally delivered her,they had to use forceps and I was hysterical.


By Nate on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:07 pm:

    "nate if we have two equal piles of weed, in order to comp your more for your shortcomings, it has to come from somewhere...if you get 5/8ths, i get 3/8ths. Its not like the ounce gets bigger to accomodate your cock."

    hey! you understand!

    now if you could just realize you understand.


By patrick on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:20 pm:

    hey nate im pregnant, im more dense and forgetful than usual.


By Spider on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:28 pm:

    Hey, did none of you fucks go to the site I linked to?


By The Watcher on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:45 pm:

    I did Spider.

    And, I have no comments to make.


By heather on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 01:15 am:

    It always amazed me that with all this talk about how dangerous power tools can be to ourselves and those around us but yet we can walk into any gas station, hardware store, sears, etc...etc... and buy as much as we want..legally.


    the nation should be put in prison for their own safety.



    i guess i always hope that some experience will help people become less weak selfish bastards, or that those who don't understand their responsiblities (like when having children) will just avoid these experiences.
    [patrick, i'm not talking about you. congratulations by the way.]


By Dani on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:28 am:

    Power tools for sale at a gas station. Interesting.

    Unexperienced people suck. Especially the selfish bastards who have no children but yet find the nerve to judge those who do.
    [patrick, i'm not talking about you.]


By patrick on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:24 pm:

    we get these generalized updates weekly:


    "Your baby's face is beginning to look more human, even though he is only about 3 inches long and weighs slightly more than half an ounce. The eyes, which started out on the sides of the head, have moved closer together. The ears are almost in their normal position on the side of the head. The liver is making bile, and the kidneys are secreting urine into the bladder. The fetus squirms if your abdomen is prodded, though you cannot yet feel movement. Fetal nerve cells have been multiplying rapidly, and synapses (neurological impulses in your brain) are forming. The fetus has acquired more reflexes: Touching the palms makes the fingers close, touching the soles of the feet makes the toes curl down, and touching the eyelids makes the eye muscles clench."

    my baby is making bile *sniff* awwwwwwwww


By eri on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:24 pm:

    I never got updates like that. I just got told you need to rest and take it easy and get a lot of rest, don't do anything, why don't you put your daughter in day care during the day and stay home alone and relax, everythings fine, everythings normal. You are going to have a small baby. That and "It's a girl".


By semillama on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:33 pm:

    BAsically, what they told Patrick is that his kid is just about out of the stage when they are essentially fish/amphibians.

    Unless I made that up.


By eri on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:38 pm:

    Yeah, in a couple of months it will be covered in hair like a cat :). Micki hadn't completely finished that phase when she was born and had this peachfuzz hair all over her body for the first couple of weeks.


By Ophelia on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 05:49 pm:

    hmm, i wonder why we evolved away from being all furry. it seems like furry would be more useful than non-furry.

    oh boy, babies are so exciting.


By J on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:20 am:

    Babies are like angels,they know no sin.


By J on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:52 am:

    Today we got to take Jonathon to Castles and Coasters an amusement park out here kind of tacky,we stayed inside while he played video games,then we went bowling,it was the first time in over two years that we got to spend quality time with him,he's sooo smart and I have missed him sooo much,why are we being punished for what his mom did? And I could tell he missed us too,he kept hugging us and cuddeling us and I just love him so much.he has been tested as gifted and he is sooo talented his artwork would blow your mind seriously and he can really drum has his own set,but like me he's hyper and talks too much which doesn't cut it in school,I was like that,I just couldn't stop myself.


By patrick on Thursday, October 3, 2002 - 04:43 pm:


By patrick on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 06:42 pm:

    here's an update:

    "Your baby's about the size of an avocado now, but in the next three weeks he'll go through a tremendous growth spurt doubling his weight and adding inches to his length. In the meantime, he'll be playing with his umbilical cord and practicing breathing by inhaling and exhaling amniotic fluid through his lungs. You're going through a bit of a growth spurt yourself. Your uterus has expanded so much that the ligaments in your abdomen are stretching to make room for it. If you feel any twinges of pain now, that's why."



    these updates are pretty damn accurate. this weekend Milkdud was givng her some shit...tossing and turning. A few times she stood up and got huge pelvic cramps that passed after a few moments. Shes definitely had a growth spurt in the last few days. I listen to Milkdud often and shine a flash light on the stomach just to give em something to do. Apparently he's liking to playing with the umbilical cord as of late too.


By spunky on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 06:46 pm:

    I was wondering how it was going.
    thanks for the update


By kazoo on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 06:58 pm:

    so it's a boy?

    Milkdud...I love it


By patrick on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 07:03 pm:

    we dunno yet. we will in a few weeks. "Milkdud" the non-gender-specific name we have until we know for sure.


By agatha on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 07:15 pm:

    heh. avocado.


By J on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 11:08 am:

    sprout


By patrick on Wednesday, November 6, 2002 - 01:48 pm:

    well.

    we know for sure its a M******* child. Milkdud didnt make it easy on the ultrasound technician, but what few glimpses we got, it looks like Milkdud.......












    is a girl.



    by the looks of the ultra sound, she was doing jumping jacks. Of course, being a M******* child she also gave us more buttshots than we perhaps desired as well.


    Of course we'll know absolutely soon, though the lady was pretty darn sure in her experience it was a girl.


    besides, if it was a boy, being a M****** boy you'd definitely *AHEM* be able to tell.






    ok. i swear thats the first and last time i'll make such a silly implication.









By Spider on Wednesday, November 6, 2002 - 02:21 pm:

    Aw, congratulations! A wittle baby girl!


By Nate on Wednesday, November 6, 2002 - 03:15 pm:

    it's a boy.


By semillama on Wednesday, November 6, 2002 - 04:27 pm:

    or both.


By Lapis on Wednesday, November 6, 2002 - 08:18 pm:

    Heraphrodite! Hermaphrodite!


By patrick on Thursday, November 7, 2002 - 11:42 am:

    *blank stare*


By kazoo on Thursday, November 7, 2002 - 11:47 am:

    they told my father's ex-girlfriend that she was having a girl and then she delivered a boy. are the ultrasounds more reliable? this was only about 5 years ago. me mum said that they usually can only tell for sure that it's a boy and only when you see his lil' pee-pee, otherwise, there is still a possibility of surprise.



By patrick on Thursday, November 7, 2002 - 11:52 am:

    yes. there is still the possibility for surprise. she didnt see no pee pee and the technician did get a decent glimpse between the legs, at one point. i dunno, i was out in the lobby for that part.

    of course there's always the possibility there are wrong.

    i dunno if ultrasounds are anymore reliable than 5 years ago.

    on the note of old wive's tales, nico is carrying a bit on the high side and she is raving mad for chocolate. all tell tale signs its a girl, supposedly.


By kazoo on Thursday, November 7, 2002 - 12:01 pm:

    my cousin carried pretty high. I don't know if she was craving chocolate. She's a recovering anorexic so I think she was more concerned with eating just the right amount to keep the two of them healthy.

    She had a boy.


By Spider on Thursday, November 7, 2002 - 12:02 pm:

    They have these ultra-fancy modern ultrasounds that take really clear pictures now. Haven't you guys seen the GE commercial, with the mother and father crying in slow motion while looking at the monitor?


By patrick on Thursday, November 7, 2002 - 12:38 pm:

    yeah. they make nice prints actually. photo quality paper. they also have the machines that can take a VCR tape, so you can record it.

    my studiomate is also expecting, hes two months ahead, but he and i have been talking of collaborating on some sort of project involving our respective preggers ladies and these new technologies.


    never seen such a commercial.


By J on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 09:44 am:

    I had a ultra sound when I was pregnant with Heather,this was over twenty years ago and after I had it I found out the only reason they gave it to me was they thought something was wrong, I couldn't make out anything.They gave Amee a ultrasound when she was pregnant with Orion and they said he was going to be a boy,but I couldn't tell from the ultrasound.


By wisper on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 01:20 pm:

    hey pat, since you're eventually going to get a buttload of baby gifts, can i ask you (and all the other parents 'round these parts) something?

    where do you stand on the pink/blue issue?

    Because i worked at a store that sold some baby stuff, and gift bags, among other shit, and around mid-summer swarms of ladies would come in for baby shower gifts (oh, those lonely winter nights...) and i'd be subject to their annoying whims and discussions.
    And god forbid i show them a PINK rattle for a MALE baby. And if there was only one baby themed gift bag left, and it was pink, no sale. They'd just look at each other knowingly and giggle and shake their heads. One day i saw this poor husband get told off in the middle of the store for pulling down a pink bag. "What the hell do you think you're doing, Jerry?!?!" I felt for that guy.

    what...the fuck. Are we so bound by tradition? Like a 3 month old can even recognise colour? Or a kid can be turned fruity due only to the choice of pattern on a gift bag given to his mother before he was born? jeezus.

    And in case you didn't notice, babies get THE *GAYEST* SHIT, male or not. So i'm wondering why it matters if Cutey Baby Rainbow Cuddle Bunny(tm) has a blue bow or what.
    Dancing teddy-bears in a flower medow, on a bib:
    blue trim = manly.
    pink trim = FAG!!!!!

    babies have no sexuality! every gay friend i have didn't even start to come to grips with it until they were at least in highschool, some way later. Can they even remember what colour their pjs were when they were 4? hell no.
    what do thery really mean? That they don't want their kid or their friend's kids to be gay? like it's bad?
    obviously.
    How modern.

    And what would happen if you did bring a pink toy for a boy baby. Or vice versa. Well, i'm going to find out. At least one person i know is sure to have a kid soon. Let's find out.


By kazoo on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 01:31 pm:

    "And in case you didn't notice, babies get THE *GAYEST* SHIT, male or not."

    good point



By patrick on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 01:37 pm:

    to be honest wisper, you've given it way more thought than i have.


    last night, there were some baby clothes thrown into the laundy i was folding. Clothing samples nico has kept away in a box. Samples she got wayyy back when she was doing a Baby Superstore and Toys R Us program for the Japanese company.

    I was marveling and giggling at how tiny they were, and as I recall there were garments in baby blue, including some sleepers and skull caps. I think the idea of gender/color crossed my mind for a split second, but it was quickly wiped away with the idea that "hey she'd look pretty cute in that.

    We will be designing the babies room with other psychologically stimulating colors, deep reds and dark greens.

    So no, we don't subscribe to that crap. At the same time, we aren't going to dictate to others whats appropriate and what isnt. Realize I am married to a psych major and a fashion designer. Clearly usual convention wont be adhered to.


By Spider on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 01:43 pm:

    Babies can't even see in color for a while.

    Wisper, your post made me choke with laughter.

    "blue trim = manly.
    pink trim = FAG!!!!!"

    Hee!


By semillama on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:02 pm:

    In order to have any male issue of mine be as manly as possible, they will only be dressed in leather.


By patrick on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:03 pm:

    like Rob Halford?


By Nate on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:24 pm:

    lemmy


By patrick on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:37 pm:

    put it this way.....and this may have a lot to do with the nature of my work, but i know of more leather shops that cater to big, burly, hairy men who prefer cock more than i do of leather shops that cater to men who prefer vagina.


By Ophelia on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 04:41 pm:

    when i was wee my parents didn't want to impose, so they gave me both dolls and trucks for toys and dressed me in all colors. i would rock the trucks to sleep. by the age of four i had decided for myself that pink was my favorite color. that was also the age where my choice occupation was "fairy-princess". so i figure that society has a decent amount of influence by that age regardless of the parents.

    a few years later i decided to become a pirate.


By semillama on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 04:44 pm:

    I never said anything about the baby looking gay or not gay, just MANLY.


By kazoo on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 04:47 pm:

    "i would rock the trucks to sleep"

    damn that's cute

    my mother avoided buying me Barbie dolls for years. She tried buying me flat-footed and flat chested dolls, but I was not satisfied. When she finally broke down, she said nothing made her happier than when I down to the basement and got my brother's Castle Greyskull so that He-Man could be Barbie's next door neighbor.


    I had a crush on He-Man. I used to run home everyday to watch the cartoon, and lied to my friends so they wouldn't make fun of me.


By Ophelia on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 05:40 pm:

    haha i used to play the same game when i was like 7 or 8, except with barbies and batman (my brother's). they were neighbors but then sometimes they'd get married and produce little stuffed easter bunnies or other non-human offspring. my favorite part (it must have been because its what i remember the most) was building barbie's house out of wooden unit blocks and Tinkertoys. every room had windows and furniture, and there was usually a playground in the backyard, as well as a stable for the My Little Ponys. my brother had a paper mache bat-cave that barbie barely fit in, but usually they just drove around with her sitting on top of the batmobile as batman drove.


By kazoo on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 05:59 pm:

    eventually Kevin took his He-man stuff back and I acquired another Barbie and a Ken doll, plus lots and lots of furniture. I had a nice walk-in closet, the floor of which became an apartment for the three of them. Sometimes they would be a family, other times they had a kind of Three's Company thing going on (despite the fact that I wasn't allowed to watch the show). It didn't matter, mine was better anyway because my characters had sex all the time, usually it was Malibu Barbie and Ken, but every now and then Malibu Barbie and Dream Date Barbie would get it on.



By Platypus on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 06:46 pm:

    Yeah, my barbies had a lot of sex too.

    My parents didn't really buy me many toys, they were very into the book thing (luckily I was too). But the problem with reading "Lady Chatterly's Lover" and being given Barbies by your extended family is that your barbies have lots of sex.

    I also had horses for a while, being one of those girls who was obsessed with horses. Well, ok, I still am, but I don't have a horse at the moment. It would be nice to live somewhere where I could have a horse again, though. Hm.


By Ophelia on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:52 pm:

    i liked horses mostly because my dad played us cowboy music and showed us old westerns.

    i think my barbies got pregnant by kissing.


By Spider on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 08:27 am:

    Hey, I wanted to be a pirate, too! I was obsessed with pirates after seeing "The Sea Hawk" with Errol Flynn when I was eleven.

    My toys were mostly stuffed animals and Legos.

    I played Barbies with the girls next door (their Barbies). Our Barbies were murderous strippers. I remember that we called their strip club The Little Red Devils. Crazy.

    A few weeks ago my mother and I had a conversation about Barbies. She had read this book that talked about the poor body image that Barbie gave young girls. I know that when I played with them, it never occurred to me that I should think of Barbie as an ideal of beauty. To me (and to the neighbor girls, and I would imagine to most sane girls), Barbies are just characters you can manipulate to do things that you can't. You yourself can only play-pretend so far....you can't pretend to throw yourself off of a cliff, especially when there's no cliff. But you do have a bed, and you can throw your Barbies off the bed.


By moonit on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:47 pm:

    My Barbies were skanks. Poor Ken. He must of gotten so tired out.

    I loved lego and cars. Had stacks of it. Mums ex-husband would buy me matchbox cars everytime he went to the petrol station.


By Spider on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 01:23 pm:

    Heh, I wonder if *all* girls made/make their Barbies out to be skanks. Someone should do a study.


By semillama on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 03:49 pm:

    They should. I had a girl as a friend when I was like, six or something, and about all I can remember was that she made her Barbies have sex, too.

    And to think the parents are all worried about sex education, when it's barbie that is to blame for teen pregnancy! How about that? I mean, it's been obvious to some parents for some time that GI joes cause teenage death sprees, but Barbie? She's quite the sneak.


By wisper on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 04:03 pm:

    i had no barbies. Then i was given one on my birthday from some kid who didn't know me very well, but that's what birthday parties are for. I brushed her hair, changed her clothes, shoved her in a drawer and went back to my HotWheels.

    I think she may still be in the back of that drawer.


By Dougie on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 05:30 pm:

    Holy shit, I haven't thought of Hot Wheels in years. I loved that orange track with the loop. Those track pieces hurt too when you hit each other (siblings) with them.


By patrick on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 05:51 pm:

    I was in Target last weekend. The wifey was about to go medieval on the whole place because she needed professional clothes, but ones that accommodated her growing belly. Not an easy task when your a pregnant designer, possesing the patience of 2 year old, sorting through the racks of terribly made clothes. Anyway, I had to walk while she was trying stuff on, or else i was going to go medieval so I wandered into the toy section and marveled at the racks of Hot Wheels.

    i was a huge Hot Wheels collector and so our unofficial god children, so I grabbed a few off the shelf for them. Its good to see they are only about $1/piece and man do they have some cool designs.


By agatha on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 06:28 pm:

    I dressed my barbies in Ken's clothes all the time. Mine didn't have sex, that I can recall.


By Spider on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 08:22 am:

    You FREAK!

    :)


By Czarina on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 10:38 am:

    Agatha,yours did have sex. Barbie was just a sneaky skank,and she hid her fornication from your youthful eyes.


By The Watcher on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 12:29 pm:

    I loved all my toys. I still have quite a few boxed up and in the basement.

    I loved some of the toys no manufacturer would dare make today the most. They are way to dangerous. The one I remember most, and wished I still had, was a pressed paper board with many colored wooden shapes a tiny hammer and real brads. You took the wooden peices placed them on the board in shapes and pictures and nailed them down with the hammer and brads. I played with it for hours at a time. Never once was I tempted to swallow one of the brads.

    It's a shame that we've become so safty consious that many of the really good toys are denied todays children.


By Czarina on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 12:52 pm:

    We need to be watchful of the brad suckers.


By wisper on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 01:27 pm:

    what's a brad?


By The Watcher on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 01:32 pm:

    A brad is a very small nail.

    Usually used for trim work. Like door frames, moldings, and picture frames.


By wisper on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 04:28 pm:

    thank you! :)


By agatha on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 07:52 pm:

    True, my barbies might have been having sex in the "barbie box." My dog chewed Ken's hand and foot off, poor guy, and 27 years later, my dog of today chewed off the hands of the vintage Midge doll I had gotten Cleo for Christmas. Coincidence?


By J on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:42 am:

    That's a shame,reminds me of when my brother broke the one thing I wanted most for Christmas,the little red spinning wheel,I stewed about that for years,he did it on purpose. We were taking stuff out of the attic to see what we had up there. I saved all the kids toys,transformers,He-man,Rainbow Bright,Strawberry Shortcake,Pretty Ponies,Care Bears and Cabbage Patch dolls. Now I see some of that stuff is comeing back.


By agatha on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 06:37 pm:

    you can sell that shit on ebay and make bank, j.

    my little sister drew children being chased by monsters on every single page of my new autograph book when i was seven or eight. i think that was the same year she took my brand new super deluxe caran-dache clay set, and mixed all of the colors together into a giant pancake. she's still making that shit up to me.


By patrick on Tuesday, December 3, 2002 - 01:28 pm:

    last night, i felt her kick!

    so

    weird

    man


By trace on Tuesday, December 3, 2002 - 03:41 pm:

    its awesome too, the first time you have some kind of physical contact with your baby.


By patrick on Monday, December 9, 2002 - 07:15 pm:

    so we saw another ultra sound on friday. like a good M******* family member she gave us a crotch shot right off the bat. i can say "she" with a little more authority now.

    i have to admit though, i often have no fucking clue what im looking at on some of those ultra sound screens.


    the midwife was like "oh look and here's the vulva and her inner thighs, her bum....we're lookin right up her skirt so to speak" and I'll i see are Rorschach (sp?) drawings.


By patrick on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 06:05 pm:

    i am now officially taking recommendations when it comes to the purchase of baby related materials.

    your experiences with various products, good bad etc are most welcomed.

    i am looking over cribs, bassinets, car seats, baby back-packs, carriers, changing tables, diaper disposals and finding myself completely fucking overwhelmed.

    any advice some of recent parents might be able to offer (trace, eri, dave, agatha) would be most helpful before my head falls off.

    danke!


By eri on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:05 pm:

    Diaper Genie's are a waste of money. Baby shit stinks, but it stinks even worse when all crammed into a little plastic container. If you are going to use disposable diapers, just throw them in the trash.

    If you want advice on brands for disposable diapers, all I can say is that my kids have abnormally sensitive skin and get diaper rash really easily and really badly. My recommendation there would be to get diapers that have a cloth-like outside and not plastic. The plastic ones seem to cause major skin issues, but my kids aren't normal in that aspect either.

    I always had to get special car seats and carriers for preemies, so I could give you good advice on baby size to measurements between straps, but that probably isn't necessary for you. My only recommendation is don't by Cosco Brand, because although they look as nice as the others, the cushioning in them don't hold up. I usually ended up getting Evenflo for all of that kind of stuff.

    I used the same basinnette I had as a baby and my crib was a Wal-Mart special.

    I hope that helps and if you need any help let me know.


By eri on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:14 pm:

    Diaper Genie's are a waste of money. Baby shit stinks, but it stinks even worse when all crammed into a little plastic container. If you are going to use disposable diapers, just throw them in the trash.

    If you want advice on brands for disposable diapers, all I can say is that my kids have abnormally sensitive skin and get diaper rash really easily and really badly. My recommendation there would be to get diapers that have a cloth-like outside and not plastic. The plastic ones seem to cause major skin issues, but my kids aren't normal in that aspect either.

    I always had to get special car seats and carriers for preemies, so I could give you good advice on baby size to measurements between straps, but that probably isn't necessary for you. My only recommendation is don't by Cosco Brand, because although they look as nice as the others, the cushioning in them don't hold up. I usually ended up getting Evenflo for all of that kind of stuff.

    I used the same basinnette I had as a baby and my crib was a Wal-Mart special.

    I hope that helps and if you need any help let me know.


By agatha on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:15 pm:

    hey, eri! i was wondering where you'd been.

    get a diaper service, it's cheaper and better for your babies skin.

    get a snugli, or a sling, or both. well worth the money, and the more you spend on it, the better it will be. unless it's a good quality used one, which you can find a lot of the time. consignment stores are awesome when it comes to baby stuff.

    if nico is planning on nursing and working simultaneously, i would recommend buying a breast pump. they suck, but the benefits to the baby make them worth all of the "feeling like a cow" business.

    i always had piece of shit strollers that would fall apart in the middle of the road, so i wouldn't recommend any of them. i used the backpack a lot when cleo got a little older, being that we were constantly trucking all over the city and taking the bus. i'm trying to remember what brand it was... i'll have to get back to you on that one.

    i'll think of more later.


By patrick on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:33 pm:

    "they suck, but the benefits to the baby make them worth all of the "feeling like a cow" business"

    a breast pump allows you to get the milk at your leisure and store it away i gather? is this what you mean, otherwise i dont follow.

    im all about the backpack idea, mostly because of the security it gives them and the freeing of the hands. already have one of those set aside. yeah strollers always seem to be falling apart.

    how much does a diaper service run you per month?
    so a poop truck comes by once a week and takes your poopy ones away and leaves you clean ones?

    see? im totally clueless when it comes to this crap.


By trace on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

    when it's your first baby, you have a tendancy to go out and buy the best.

    Don't waste your money.

    Go for cloth diapers with diaper service if you can afford it, they are the best for the baby's skin. Don't forget plain old corn starch. You can use baby powder if you want, but corn starch works wonders.
    If you want to use disposables, just make sure they "breath".

    They baby will tell you what kind of nipples it likes, but I loved the plasic liner inserts for the bottles versus the bottles you had to clean...

    My 2 cents worth anyway...



By trace on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:49 pm:

    "consignment stores are awesome when it comes to baby stuff. "

    Those words are gold. I could not agree more.


By patrick on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:59 pm:

    consignment store?

    like what KIND of store? ive never seen just a "consignment" store.

    you mean a thrift store?


    i was mindful, when working on our list online not to always go for the most expensive shit.

    i tended to look at babiesrus.com user opinions as well.

    but yeah, i see what you're saying, at first i was like, fuckit, get the best, no worries, but thats not that case i hear.


    anyone have a online subscription to consumer reports they wanna share?


By wisper on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:39 pm:

    no dude, they mean BABY thrift/consignment stores. They usually have cheese names like "once upon a child" or "forever young".


    dress your kid in burlap, that's my advice.

    and name her Hieron. For the love of god, SOMEBODY have a kid and name it Hieron, because i never will, but i want to.


By trace on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:50 pm:


By J on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:12 am:

    Trace is right on about the bottles with the plastic liners,they come with different kinds of nipples in the set I got for Orion.


By patrick on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:28 am:

    yes its a girl.

    we know her eyesight is coming along.

    last night we played with her, taking a flash light to the belly. wherever we placed the light, along came a kick or punch. neat.

    good link trace

    dang the only consignment shop they list is thift store, in particular place where studios dump their wardrobes.




    burlap? noted.



By J on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 02:19 pm:


By patrick on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 03:32 pm:

    thanks, we're actually on that list already.


By eri on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:25 pm:

    Hi Agatha. I have been working, and haven't been around much lately.

    Snugli's are wonderful, a blessing when the baby is smaller. They are good for a baby as well, because they go up against your chest and the baby hears your heartbeat, which helps keep her own heart and breathing in good shape. Hearing the heartbeat of the parent is actually very physically healthy to the baby (I know it sounds crazy but we had to learn this shit when Micki was in the hospital to keep her little heart and lungs going).

    Consignment shops are wonderful.

    One thing I thought of. Basinettes are wonderful when the baby is new and small at home. I would recommend using one until the baby is too big and then going to a crib. You don't have to worry about the baby getting it's head and legs and crap stuck between the slats in the crib. You can put it at the foot of the bed. Really convenient for nighttime feedings and changings.

    A breast pump is so that she can pump the milk out when she needs to (if she doesn't pump she will get engorged and it can lead to many infections, not to mention be EXTREMELY painful). You put the milk into little disposable liners for bottles and stick it in the freezer for easy feedings. That way she can keep her milk up and the baby can have it when she is not around. Personally, I think manual pumps work best for this and are inexpensive. I think the battery operated ones are pieces of shit and the ones you rent from pharmacies are not worth it, so long as she is not having to pump all milk for all meals because the baby is in the hospital or crap like that. Since I am planning and hoping on everything going well for the two of you I recommend a hand pump you can get at any pharmacy or Babies R Us (probably cheaper). Some hospitals give you "breastfeeding kits" when they find out you are planning on breastfeeding which has the plastic parts you need for an electric pump and those pieces make a hand pump, too.

    I feel like I have written a novel, so I will shut-up now.


By patrick on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:32 pm:

    doesnt sound crazy at all. makes perfect sense. hell, even my cats like to snuggle to my chest and hear our heart beat. when you get a puppy or a kitten, its recommended you put a ticking clock under some pillows in its bed to simulate a heartbeat for comfort. its really quite sweet.

    So you think we should just get a bassinette for now and get a crib after we've calmed down after birth? we found this other device called the snuggle master or something, essentially it allows the baby to sleep in your bed, without fear or being squashed.

    the talk of breastfeeding...isnt it assumed all new mothers breastfeed? its a given right?

    yes she will be getting a pump. a Nice $50 pump bra, the electric one is like $150 or something retarded like that.

    the idea of pumping your breasts like Jersy cow is just so fucking weird.


    please, share anything you can. its helpful.


By wisper on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:29 pm:

    get someone to build her the clown bed from the Simpsons.

    babies love clowns.


By patrick on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:52 pm:

    get your own kid to fulfill your sick fantasies


By eri on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 06:18 pm:

    I still say that $50 on a pump is too much. That's just me. A bassinet will be wonderful until she is ready to pull herself up on it. I used them for about the first 4 months or so with Hayley (Micki doesn't count cuz she was so small she couldn't go into a crib and we couldn't use normal mattresses and had to use wedges and shit like that because of the bradicardia and apnea). I really do recommend them for the first few months until she is ready to grow out of it, either physically or developmentally.

    You would be surprised how many new mothers choose not to breastfeed. Bottle feeding is easier, and there are still women who feel it is dirty. I think it is the most natural thing in the world and wish I could have nursed Micki but she just couldn't do it.

    By the way, tried the snuggle master. Sucks in bed, but helped a lot keeping Micki in the right sleep positions in the bassinette.

    Do you need any clothes? I just found a box of the girls old stuff. I don't know what you like or if you would object to hand me downs, but I do have some clothes I could send you for a girl, if you are interested. I got rid of the rest of the stuff, because there isn't any point hanging on to it if I can't have any more children.

    There are a lot of "developmental" toys out there. Be careful how much you spend on them because it can really add up. Most of the stuff you buy, you can also make yourself with leftover stuff around the house and serve the same purpose (they go through these kinds of toys very quickly in the first 18 months).

    If you ever have concerns about what your daughter is supposed to be learning at the different phases and what toys will help, let me know. Two years of physical therapists, occupational therapists, special instruction therapists, and speech therapists, you end up with all that shit permanently implanted in your brain.

    Example...for the first three months infants don't see in color, only black and white, so buying things that have lots of colors are a waste of money. Also lots of loud colors (like primary colors) can tend to keep a baby's attention and keep them awake when they should be sleeping, so soft colors like pastels(when they reach that age) are recommended for sleeping areas.

    Also, the crap they preach about classical music for babies is true. We learned this with Micki. She was about 2-3 months developmentally delayed. We started using this music during the time when she slept and napped and she caught up in gross motor skills in 1 month and fine motor skills in 2 months (maybe a little less, it has been a while).

    OK I am done with my psychobabble shit now.


By patrick on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 06:32 pm:

    cool.

    thanks for the offer of the clothes. i doubt we'll need them. please, donate them locally. nico's aunts and cousins, who seem to breed specifically females have sent us a butt load of clothes already. so thanks anyway.

    we both come from the less is more school of thought.

    out two god sons have so much fucking crap....i mean TONS of shit thats its utterly absurd. we intend to keep the grandparents family in checking by not over doing it with toys.

    the snugglemaster sucked for you or for the yins?


By agatha on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 07:23 pm:


By eri on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:51 pm:

    The wind up swings are kinda out of date now. They only make them cheaply now. They have battery operated ones that don't have that annoying bar at the top. They also play music. They are god sends. Ours was an evenflo, but I don't think brand names really make a difference on them now.

    That was why I loved the bassinet so much. Didn't have to fully wake up to nurse at night.

    Snugglemaster sucked for us. We still ended up pulling each other off of Micki in the middle of the night. It helped her out when we put it in her bassinet, though. But remember that Micki wasn't normal, had to sleep in a certain position with wedges under the matresses and things to hold her stationary in a certain position. That stupid apnea monitor still went off all of the damned time. We couldn't put her in a portable crib ever because the way she would lay would block her airway and she would stop breathing. After about 2 minutes in one she would be blue. Nothing like doing CPR on your baby you just brought home.

    I think that a diaper service would be worth the money, too, though I didn't do them. Last time I checked if the service cleaned them and everything it was in the neighborhood of $35 a month, or something like that. It is better for the baby's skin, but is messier. It is also much better for the environment. I know how you feel about SUV's and if you did research, you would probably prefer cloth diapers over disposable, based on the same principles.

    Breaking a child of your bed can be difficult, but breaking a child of whatever bedtime habits they are used to can be difficult too. For example, Micki used to be rocked to sleep every night. If she was awake when she hit the pillow, forget it. You had to rock her back to sleep. She is 3 1/2 now and we just in the past month have got her on a new bedtime routine where we don't spend hours rocking her every night. Every kid is different, and when it comes to bedtime habits you will end up doing what is comfortable for you.

    For the most part, just do what is comfortable for you. You try all of the things based on advice, but when that baby comes home with you you will figure out what is best for the two of you. It comes naturally with a little bit of experience. What you want to get for the baby will probably become clearer to you as you see how your lifestyle changes and how that baby fits into it. I do think that the less is more approach will be really helpful in all areas except clothes (they can go through 6-7 outfits a day).


By patrick on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:30 am:

    thanks guys.

    6-7 outfits a day? just like her mother.

    dig it. the first images. a month old, but my dopey friend took his sweet as time scanning them. im like "duuuuuude she'll be born byu the time you get off the bong and scan em.kids grow fast like that hyper weed you smoke"


    $35/month for a diaper service seems wayyyy cheap. thats less than my cable bill.


By Spider on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:33 am:

    Wow, that's cool!


By Spider on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:33 am:

    PS. Have you settled on naming her Eva?


By patrick on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:35 am:

    yes. Eva Jude


By patrick on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:36 am:

    yes. Eva Jude.

    check out that bottom lip. shes pouting. like daddy.


By trace on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:32 pm:

    Eri wanted to name Mikayla Emma.


By moonit on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 01:01 am:

    Patrick that is so cool. Thanks so much for sharing.


By wisper on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 10:17 pm:

    i love how the pic has an ad banner over it.
    that is so.... now.


By patrick on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 11:38 am:

    its really more of 'should have been a long time ago'


    what do you expect for free?


    dig it...isnt she glorious?


By Nate on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 11:51 am:

    holy crap dude. don't take this the wrong way, but i think your wife might be pregnant.


By agatha on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

    she's so cute.

    i kiss her!


By patrick on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 07:54 pm:

    im delighted to pass the message on.


By patrick on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 02:10 pm:

    we were invited and encouraged by our midwife to see this casting agent for The Discovery channel today. Some documentary on pregnancy and parenting they are putting together. If we get selected we get $250 for a 5 minute interview.

    College fund.


    i guess i have the real tv baby, possibly.


By semillama on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 03:41 pm:

    Only in L.A.


By patrick on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 03:57 pm:

    maybe in NYC, but yeah.


By semillama on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 04:50 pm:

    In NYC, you would be featured on some sappy morning show. You would probably have to be touched by Al Roker.


By wisper on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 07:39 pm:

    Hey!
    see if you can get on that sappy TLC "a Baby Story" show. Then you get a full hour and the entire birth on tv.



    which brings me to the question.... WHO watches THAT show?!


By patrick on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 07:46 pm:

    theres no chance in hell she'd ever consent to that. ever.

    expecting parents watch that show.


By R.C. on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 04:38 am:

    OH MY GOD!@$&! Patrick, you & that gorgeous wife of yours ARE HAVING A KID!?!

    Even *I* hadda stop & congratulate you on that!

    I thought you 2 were part of the "Childless By Choice" club. But I guess people change...

    Jeesh - I'm gabberflasted!

    I'm fine, BTW. Just living my so-called life in Florida, me & the cats. Happy New Year to you & your wife! And hugs & kiss to Sem, Nate, Agatha, His Markness & all the rest of the inmates.






    (Damn! Patrick's having a kid. Now I *know* I been away too long...)


By semillama on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 09:19 am:

    My girlfriedn watches that show and she's not expecting (unless there is something I don't know about).


By patrick on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 11:53 am:

    we have been perceived to be a part of tha club dear RC....in reality it was more like the "childless by chance" club.

    we had been playing with the fertility fire for years now.

    its a pleasant surprise and im starting to get more excited.


By sarah on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 01:38 pm:


    eva jude is an absolutely wonderful name. i love austere sounding names. good job.

    when's the baby shower? april?



By patrick on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 01:48 pm:

    thank you.

    i think the shower is being planned for late Feb. D-Day is april 1st so late Feb is the target.

    Our baby shower wont be just for the girls and there will be ping pong, pot and beer involved.

    showers, bridal or baby can be so dang up-tight we are determined to reverse this in our case.

    any yous are welcome if your in the hood.


By sarah on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 02:18 pm:


    let us know where you're registered.




By patrick on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 02:44 pm:


By J on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 03:20 pm:

    Well what do you have already? Crib? Bassinet? Car Seat? Stroller?


By patrick on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 03:27 pm:

    nothing. we have a crib coming to us in coming months. our good friends are giving us theirs when M gets his regular bed in the next month or two(its a top of the line model that we'd never buy) we will use a bassonette for the first month or so.

    i've been wanting to get a car seat asap incase she pops early, but nico seems to think we should wait until the shower. that its ok to see what we get then.


By Nate on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 04:17 pm:

    i'll trade you a car seat for being refered to as "uncle nate" if ever refered to.


By pamela on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 04:57 pm:

    First I have to say that it is not proven that babies are color blind for the first few months; some say they are, some say they aren't. What is known, is that babies eyesight is not that great too close or too far away. It is said that babies see best at a distance from the breast to the face.


    Patrick, if you are interested, I just had my baby girl on the 8th of December, and by April I'm sure I will not be using the cradle that we have anymore. If you want it, it's yours. It's a nice wooden cradle. I can take a picture of it if you would like.

    And seeing as you're having a girl:

    Ten Simple Rules for Dating My Daughter

    Rule One:
    If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

    Rule Two:
    You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them.

    Rule Three:
    I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

    Rule Four:
    I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate; when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

    Rule Five:
    It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is "early."

    Rule Six:
    I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

    Rule Seven:
    As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?

    Rule Eight:
    The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka - zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which features chain saws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better.

    Rule Nine:
    Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding, middle-aged, dimwitted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

    Rule Ten:
    Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.


    I thought that was pretty funny. I showed my husband and now he is printing one up and putting it in a frame by the door. She's just barely a month old... she is already daddy's little girl. Poor thing.


By patrick on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 05:39 pm:

    im already wrapped around her finger and shes still in there.

    thanks for the offer pam. im positive we will be overwhelmed with stuff in coming months, so now worries...offer it to someone local.

    its a deal sans the car seat nate. while such a genreous offer theres no need. we intend to be pretty finnicky about carseats and scrutinize the hell out of them. we are looking this car seat that also functions as the seat device for a stroller. just the other night at dinner, we watched this poor woman wrestle with the stroller and her trunk for 5 minutes. not us. and safety wise...of all the things to spend money on, that appears to be the one thing we wont be looking for bargains on.


    she will have lots of 'aunts and uncles' and im delighted she will have a creepy, stoney uncle nate in the backwoods of ca


By wisper on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 06:36 pm:

    she will be born on April 2nd. She will be my twin.


    i watch 'a baby story' like i watch Talkback on CNN... pale and gripping the armrests. Shaking slightly and mummbling "no....no...good god no!!"
    I can't make it through 5 minutes.

    what nate said made me laugh, so much.


By pamela on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 08:52 pm:

    We got one of those strollers that is big and bulky and the infant carrier/car seat can attach to it. They are definitely bulky, and not exactly fun to lug around, but they are definitely worth it if you plan to use a stroller during the first year. The one major plus to the combo strollers as they are called is that you can attach the infant carrier/car seat to the stroller and not have to wake your sleeping baby. Of course, other than being very cushy once the baby is older, there are no other attractions to them. If someone buys it for you, then that's wonderful; but if you don't plan on using it very much during the first year, you probably shouldn't waste your money, 'cause they're not cheap.

    Definitely get an infant carrier/car seat though. They are worth the money. With our son, we didn't buy the infant carrier/car seat b/c we thought he'd outgrow it too soon and it would go to waste. So instead we bought the regular upright car seat. Not a very good idea for a newborn. Their necks are can't really support the weight of their heads, so I had to hold his head in place. With the infant carrier/car seats they are reclined, so that you can drive with them in the car by yourself and not wonder if they're okay. You should probably get one of the headrest inserts though, b/c sometimes they need some more support around their head. Ethan stayed in the infant carrier/car seat for about the first year. It is definitely worth the money.


By Platypus on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 09:51 pm:

    do you have a snugli? all of the women around here have them and they seem to really like them.


By patrick on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 11:38 am:

    the device that allows your baby to sleep in the bed with you?


By eri on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 12:41 pm:

    Infant carrier car seats are required for preemies, because they recline and because the measurments from the shoulder strap to the buckles are smaller. They are made to face rear for the first year, and then they can be turned around to see front after the baby is a year old or weighs 20 lbs. We got away with using it for Hayley until she was a little over a year old before we had to switch to an infant car seat. We would have been able to use it for Micki too, but it was beat up and wouldn't pass the inspection. I loved them, though. So much easier to just grab the carrier and slap it in the grocery cart or whatever than having to unbuckle baby and carry baby to wherever and hope they have something wherever I am that will work.

    I never had the stroller that worked with the carrier, but I did have one of those huge ones that can convert to a sleeping position or whatever. I hated that bulky heavy mostrosity. I loved it when I could just get an umbrella stroller with a sun visor on it. We were even able to attach Micki's monitor (apnea/bradachardia) to the back of it and just go whenever Hayley had a parade to perform in or something like that. Used the bulky think only when necessary because we hated it.

    Patrick your wife looks absolutely beautiful. I'm jealous. I look like shit pregnant.


By pamela on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 02:35 pm:

    no Snugli's are the backpack type things for infants. I think Snugli is like the brand or something. I have the Snugli backpack carrier thing. You can wear them on your back or on your front facing out or facing in. I liked it a lot. I still do. I think Snugli also makes slings, but I'm not too sure. I never had a sling, but I wanted one. They look comfortable.


By patrick on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 02:44 pm:

    slings dont look very sturdy to me. it looks like the lil weiner could just slip right out.

    we are definitely getting some sort of backpack device. those things are genius...freeing your hands and making your little one right in front of you for kisses.


By pamela on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 02:51 pm:

    aww

    Patrick you are going to be such an awesome dad.


By Platypus on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 03:02 pm:

    my friend hillary has a sling, i can ask her about the frequency of lil weiner slipping outage. they do seem brilliant to me.


By agatha on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 10:45 pm:

    there is no slipping out. i thought the same thing when i first saw them, but they are actually quite secure.

    still, i liked the snugli better for out and about, the sling was pretty rocking for in the house.


By sarah on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 11:06 pm:

    wwaaaahhhhhhh i want a baby




By wisper on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 12:42 am:

    how much does it cost to have a baby?
    i mean, the actual birth part, the hospital bill after something like that.
    Do you get an itemised bill that shows exactly how much the doc's gloves cost you, and how much the food was and everything?


    patrick, i've been thinking about child-rearing for the past week now (because of YOU!) and i have but one thing to tell you so far- do not be one of those people that lets their kid roam freely in a resturant while you finish eating or etc, and the little fucker toddles around screaming or poking other people's legs and tripping the waiters and playing on the floor with a napkin.
    Fucking hell, those people should die.
    Tie her down if you have to.
    Everything else is secodary.


By agatha on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 01:30 pm:

    would you rather have them wandering a little- by this, i mean within a table or two, and in a good mood, or strapped to their chair and screaming?

    or, would you rather that more moms weren't allowed to go out in public and cause a disturbance with their babies, and so they lost touch with reality and drowned their babies in the bathtub?

    just curious.


By eri on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 05:39 pm:

    I have never let my children wander around restraunts and stores and things like that. It drives me nuts. I teach my children that there is a certain way to behave in public places and that I expect that of them. If they take off and leave, then we leave. I know it sounds harsh to some of you but we have only had to do that twice in 8 years with two kids and both times it was at Barnes & Noble.

    People who don't have kids and don't want to be bothered by others kids running around and pulling on their pantlegs have the right to eat or go shopping in peace. It won't be my children making their life hell because I won't teach my kids how to behave in public.

    There are places where kids have the freedom to run around, because that is what they do and where they are (McDonald's playland, parks, amusement places) and anyone who doesn't want to be bothered by kids doesn't go there. I let my kids go wild there, though they still have to be nice and listen and behave, just not the same as a coffee shop.


By agatha on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 06:08 pm:

    mmmhmmm.


By wisper on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 07:42 pm:

    oh dear, agatha, no nothing like that.
    i'd just assumed that it was possible to get kids to stay in their seats since i've seen both things happen in public. One table has their three kids running laps around the place, another has them staying in their chairs.
    Of course i have no idea if this is an easy thing to teach, or if it depends on the kids, or whatnot.
    I'm just saying....if at all possible.... yeah.


By agatha on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 10:52 pm:

    it's possible to keep them in their seats, in my opinion, until they are one, and then not again until they hit three and some change. for one year and a little more in between, it is possible to keep them roaming only within a sphere of maybe two tables. you can force them to stay in their chairs at this age, but they will either throw a tantrum or cry.

    that's all i'm saying.


By pamela on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 11:18 pm:

    Kids are people as well, and even though some people think that what they say is the law, it doesn't necessarily mean that their kids will think so too. I see both sides. I wouldn't want my kids running around in a restaurant anyway, b/c I am kind of paranoid like that. Someone could come up and snatch them or something crazy like that. I do think it is important to go out and have fun; just b/c you become parents doesn't mean that your social life is over. In my personal experiences, having a troublsome little boy, if we are at a restaurant and he starts acting up, then we take him for a walk outside of the restaurant. We take turns on who goes out (although I have to admit that Brad is the one that usually goes out with him). We don't go to restaurants very often though, not unless we have a babysitter to watch the kids. But we do try and get out and do other things. We couldn't go to movie theatres, but we had a drive in that we could go to and watch movies. That way I could nurse Ethan whenever I needed to and if he cried it was no big deal.

    Anyway, I wanted to give you some "advice" to pass on to Nico in regards to breastfeeding.

    Breastfeeding is HARD. It can be very painful at first. And at this I mean for like a few weeks, and then the pain can just gradually lessen. With my first child, I had INCREDIBLE pain for only a few days, and then after a couple weeks the pain wasn't so bad, and after the first month we had it licked. But with my daughter, she is now almost 6 weeks old and we're still having trouble. The pain has been so severe at times that I had to double check and see if my nipple was still there. It is a learning experience for both mom and child. If Nico wants to breastfeed, tell her to try and not give up. Breastfeeding is such a great thing that you can do for your child; it is very healthy. But the most important this is that your baby is eating and that mom can maintain some form of sanity. If the pain is so bad, tell her to express some milk and let it air dry on her nipples. Also, make sure she uses pure lanolin on her nipples to help them heal. It will stain, so make sure she has breast pads to use, even if she is not leaking. The hospital should provide her with some, but if not, I don't think it should be too hard to find some. Also, she can try pumping or just supplement with formula for one feeding (the best formula they have out now is the one with "Lipil" b/c it is supposed to be most like breast milk). The paid does go away eventually, so if she just sticks with it and gives it time, then it shouldn't be so bad. She may be lucky and not have such bad pain. But there will be pain at first. Just try to be as supportive as you can, and when she's a raging bitch b/c she is in so much pain, it will pass. Try to be as understanding as you can. And if she decides that she just can't do it, that's okay too. The most important thing you can do for her, is make her feel comfortable with the decision she makes.

    Anyway, I am sure I am babbling, so I will go. I hope I have helped in some small way. :-)


By pamela on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 11:25 pm:

    oh yeah, by the way, it is very costly to have babies... with both my babies the hospital bill was just over $10,000. I think I had a semi-itemized bill, but it wasn't that detailed, not right down to the doctor's gloves. I think it was pretty general. Like how much for anesthesia, food, stuff like that. It is expensive. Thank God for good insurance is all I can say.


By patrick on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 12:30 pm:

    the discussion of how much it will cost has not come up yet. it will shortly. Im not concerned. My child will be born and looked after. period.

    wisper, im too anal for such public behavior. i will do my damnest to instill some manners and find encouraging ways to keep them in their seats/high chairs in restaurants. you wouldnt expect that behavior from an adult. (i hear you laughing agatha)

    my god children arent like that. they are instructed to hang out in their seats with the rest of us when we do go out and they seem cool with it. if they are loosing attention we devise something on the table to keep it while we finish eating.

    saturday after the protest i got some good experience in at the Chuckee Cheese with H & M. Thats the kind of place you go to let your lil weiner roam free. Everything is padded in that place and the employees (along with a shot of valium im sure) are sporting referee outfits with whistles should some little brats get out of hand in the ball bath.

    I can also vouch for my insurance and sing the praises of kaiser permanente this weekend.

    this past week, she has been coughing and wheezing like made. allergies, cold, whatever, its incessant and a real drag for her. everyone i know has had similar issues, myself included. being pregnant, we thought she was more vulnerable and perhaps the baby was pushing on her diaphram making breathing extra labored. But friday about 1 am shes really having a hard time sleeping and is coughing like mae. thats it, i get her in the car and head to kaiser emergency. Im thinking to myself...'shit....kaiser, sunset, 1am, friday....a triage of shot gangsters, beaten hookers and blue junkies... No way. We go in...they direct us to the maternity admittance. We sit right down in a bed and are seen by the doctor in 15 minutes.

    They check her out and give her a breathing treatment...all to little or no effect.

    Still, they checked her out and she was fine, just congested and slightly asthmatic, which she has never ever suffered. We were out of there within 2 hours. props to my healthcare on that. ovf course after we got there, two mothers in labor arrived.

    So as far as costs...if the level of service is maintained at its current level....im not worried.



By Platypus on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 01:36 pm:

    what did they use in the nebulizer for the breathing treatment, patrick?

    that rocks. I don't think I've ever been in/out of an emergency room that fast. I wish there was
    Kaiser up here.


By patrick on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 01:55 pm:

    albuterol i believe.

    im sure we had such a great experience because she's pregnant and they dont exactly let preggers hang around.


By TBone on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

    I get a kick out of it when happy little kids come over to my table and say hello.

    I'm not so happy when one screws his eyes shut, screams like a banshee and runs headlong into me.

    The other day I was in a grocery store line and a little girl turned around and stared up at me with these huge unbelieving eyes.
    I looked down at her and grinned.
    She put her hands up like claws, bared her teeth, and snarled at me.
    I have green hair, so I suspect that I was a monster.
    Cutest damn thing... made my day.


By eri on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

    I never knew I had asthma or had any problems until the third trimester of my pregnancy with Hayley, so maybe asthma flaring up for the first time during pregnancy is more common than I thought.

    Watch that, though, because it could be a precursur to preeclampsia. If she starts seeing spots or swelling a lot or her blood pressure goes up some, have her seen again for that. It could get nasty if not found and anticipated early. Usually shows up in the third trimester.

    I had Kaiser when I had Hayley, and they did the same thing with me, forget the emergency room, straight up to maternity. The doctors were great, they kept me laughing all of the time. I half expected them to show up in the delivery room with a baseball glove! Because my preeclampsia was so severe they sent me to a specialist hospital downtown, so I missed out on the baseball glove.

    Albuterol is allright for asthma, but sometimes they need to add some cromulin to it (the two together are the treatment they put in the nebulizer). Sometimes a little steroids can really help breathing.


By patrick on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:00 pm:

    ive been taking some ephedrine related prodcuts as of late to help my breathing too, but Ive always had allergy issues. she has never. thanks eri, im cutting and pastin this to her. she has an appt today and with any HMO, sometimes you have to prod them along with suggested causes.


By Platypus on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:41 pm:

    The treatment they use in the nebulizer is a hardcore combination of steroids (predominantly albuterol). However, unless you have severe asthma, like me, you shouldn't have to use it. I don't know about how various medications interact with lil wiener, but if she's having breathing problems she/the doc may want to consider an inhalation steroid like flovent or maybe even advair. Nebulizers are not the sort of thing one wants to be using a lot; preventative treatment is better for everybody.

    Seriously poke the doc about this--even if it isn't a precurses to more serious problems, not breathing properly sucks.


By patrick on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:55 pm:

    i dont know for fact what was in the nebulizer. they could hear minor wheezing in her lungs so they gave her the treatment. they reassured us it was safe for the fetus.

    the inhaler she has....i read the packet and it supplied lab results on giving it to pregnant mice. they are relatively safe. no concern except un ultra high doses and even then the risk of complications is well under 9%.

    to be honest, we just want to ensure she doesnt have an amonia. a friend of ours had an amonia in her 4th month, took some serious antibiotics (or risk death) and she is convinced thats why the weiner came out a month 1/2 early.

    after the santa ana's last week, everyone is fucked. my colleague here at work has the exact same condition as nico. nothing is working. no antibiotics, no steroids, no cough syrup, no inhalers.


By Nate on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 04:16 pm:

    terror attack! add santa ana to the axis of evil list!


By Spider on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 04:16 pm:

    What's an amonia? Do you mean pneumonia?

    A friend of mine (otherwise healthy 23-year-old woman) caught pneumonia in October and she's still having problems with it. Nasty stuff.


By patrick on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 04:20 pm:

    well spider

    ammonia is a pungent colorless gaseous alkaline compound of nitrogen and hydrogen.

    "amonia" is a misspelling on my part.

    of course i meant pneumonia


By kazoo on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 04:53 pm:

    I sat next to the cutest baby in the world today on the plane. She was all smiles and when she put her hand out to me, she turned it sideways like a handshake. That helped cheer up an otherwise rather depressed kazoo.

    Breathing problems are scary. When he was about four my brother had to be taken to the hospital for a croupy-whooping-cough type thing. He sounded like gollum and I remember I was kind of scared scared because I couldn't believe that my short, chubby little brother was making such a dreadful noise.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 01:24 pm:

    *update*

    im so ready.

    i so want to hold her. kiss her.

    in the doc's office last week i heard another lil weiner crying his infant eyes out.

    the sound actually made me sappy and envious.

    i know i know i know.

    after a week of the infant screech i wont be saying that but still...

    last night, rubbing on the belly i , for the first time, felt her lil heartbeat. how amazing! i could actually feel it!!! we checked nico's pulse to make sure it wasn't hers and sure enough, it was different.

    she's so responsive to my voice, i too am confident she is ready to come out.




    ok, enough sap.



By eri on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 01:40 pm:

    Not much time left. Are YOU prepared for the labor and delivery phase?


By sarah on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 01:41 pm:


    why are you having the shower after her birth?

    you only have 7 things on your registry.




By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 01:55 pm:

    huh? the "shower" is on the 16th of this month?



    oh...i linked the registry that we dumped two weeks ago. sorry.


    go here to see our updated and current registry



    yes eri, im prepared, i have plenty of film.



    we are considering getting a doula for the delivery and immediately following.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 01:56 pm:

    i've heard doula's are really fantastic not only with mom and baby but with papa's who have never seen their wives in so much pain.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 01:58 pm:

    oh shit.

    sarah i put the due date, not the date of the baby party on that old one.


    see? this is why mom handles this shit.


By eri on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 02:12 pm:

    OK forgive my ignorance here but what is a doula? I have ideas, but I could be totally off base.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 02:20 pm:


By eri on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 02:23 pm:

    OMG Patrick, I have that exact same changing table as on your wish list. It is in light oak. We were trying to figure out what to do with it, cuz when we move it probably won't fit into Micki's room any longer.

    You will have to let us know if you don't get one and are interested in this one! The only difference is that it is light oak finish and that it was used. Your call.


By Nate on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 02:29 pm:

    haha suckas.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 02:33 pm:

    will do.

    doula's are popular in CA and amongst the hippy guard.


    we're hoping to find one for cheap.

    They have to do a certain amount of hours to complete their certification...like an intern.



    looking through the listings for CA, the ratio of Doulas in the Bay Area to the LA Area is like 4 to 1.

    Fucking hippies.
    Its like having a midwife's assistant at your beck and call.

    everything from doing the diapers, to emotional support.

    everyone we know has nothing but praise for them.


By eri on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 02:47 pm:

    My cousin does that, but not professionally. She has done this with all of her friends. She helped with the delivery of Jamie Lee Curtis's son and even got into a fight with the doctors about the drugs, becuase the doctor was insisting on using them.

    If we were in Cali I would have had her there when Micki was born, but then again we were planning on a normal delivery and not an emergency c-section 11 weeks early.

    If I had to go on what I heard, then I would recommend them as well. Good luck.


By heather on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 03:17 pm:

    sigh.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 04:47 pm:

    what?

    what does that mean?

    just a random sigh?

    just happened to land on this thread?

    was something said that prompted such a response?

    what, o cryptic one, does that sigh mean?


By heather on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 06:30 pm:

    everything.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 06:36 pm:

    well then.


    ok.


    carry on then.


By agatha on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 07:38 pm:

    yes eri, im prepared, i have plenty of film.

    ha! you didn't even mean to be funny.

    here is a brief sketch of our birth room:
    me- in labor
    dave- askeered, yet supportive
    zoe- doula
    brigid- midwife
    courtney- my sister, napping in the rocking chair and selecting music
    beth- my pal, doing the same thing as courtney and also taking lots of pictures
    random doctor that came in at the end and yanked cleo out with forceps
    a variety of meddling nurses that brigid kept hurrying out of the room, plus one super cool nurse that we let stick around

    my pal merc- early the next day when i was still semi-delirious, with flowers and love



    that's about it.


By patrick on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 07:55 pm:

    im actually reaching the point where im wanting 5 cell phones, each a tuned to a different satellite, assuring access, 12 bags packed, in remote locales, detailed instructions taped to her back and front advising nurses certain of no no's and a driver on standby.

    we feel that there's a good possibility that the midwife we have now wont be there for the actual birth, but im confused about a lot of things.

    agatha did you have amy medication?

    nico is not fooling herself, she's pretty damn sure she will want pain meds. no epidural, just some good ole fashioned demoral for some relief.




    oh shit, im nervous thinking of.....




    i think sam will there, maybe out in the waiting room with a bottle for me, as needed.


    good thing i still have a shit load of valium too.




    holy hell.





    i made the mistake of tuning into Discovery Health channel's "Special Delivery" last week. Basically a show depicting all the things that CAN go wrong.

    i about had a heart attack.


By eri on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 - 11:21 pm:

    Eri in labor wakes up screaming in pain looking for hand to squeeze to change focus off of pain, with loser sleeping in chair, this goes on for about 5 hours when Mom calls and yells at me for not doing the breathing (I never learned, this was a preemie delivery and before the classes). Mom shows up and does breathing with me, no longer noticing pain, just feeling muscle contractions, nurses check me and leave, 15 minutes later nurses tell Mom she has it under control and to let them know when I need to start pushing, and I say MUST PUSH NOW. Nurse says Oh, no that can't be you were only dialated to 3 1/2 15 minutes ago. I say Check again and get your goddamned hand off of my leg, they say oh shit get doctor and doctor is in my face breathing and begging me to hold off until we make it into the delivery room. Push 1 nothing, legs in wrong position, Push 2 head, push 3 here's Hayley, push 4 done. The only thing I remember hurting after my mom arrived was when the idiot tech stitched me back up.

    It was SOOO much easier than what I expected but I was really fucking tired and dopey afterward. And this wasn't a normal case scenario.

    I am sure that Nico will do fine and so will you. Just avoid Nubane. My cousin got some of that during her labor with her daughter and it put the baby to sleep and she was in labor for 5 days because of it. Then again, that was Torrance Memorial Hospital, so maybe they were just idiots!


By J on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 12:43 am:

    Even though my "friends" think it's hilarious,a pregnant Nico has prevailed in why I haven't posted about growth coming out of my ass after childbirth.


By patrick on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 11:37 am:

    uhh


By J on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 01:38 pm:

    Uhh I'm going to post about it one of these days, I can even laugh about it now but it sure wasn't funny at the time.For now let's just say after I had Ryan that pretty much did it for me and the s/o got a vasectomy right away. But I can honestly say that someone cut me a new asshole.He was my smallest one too.


By J on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 04:03 pm:

    Is Nico's mom comeing out to help after the baby is born?


By wisper on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 06:09 pm:

    holy shit, pregnant people are fucked up.


    where are ya putting that thing?
    on the wall in the kitchen?


By Antigone on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 06:30 pm:

    I'd cover it with elephant shit and call it "Holy Virgin Mary"


By patrick on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 06:51 pm:

    yes J. she's already made her flight arrangements, to arrive on the 28th. Due date is the 1st of april.

    I think she will leave depending on when exactly milkdud is born.

    i was speaking with some parents on another BBS wisper...

    i came to conclusion that becoming a parent will thwart me into contact with certain elements of society i learned a long time ago to avoid. i will have to learn to better bite my tongue for milkdud's sake.




By trace on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 08:05 pm:

    april fools day baby!

    don't bet on it's sex


By eri on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 10:52 pm:

    My uncle was born on April Fool's Day! I never really knew him growing up, at all. He doesn't get along with my mother at all. They are always at each others throats. As an adult I have gotten to know him and his entire family and find them to be the most sane of the entire clan! I guess things could be worse than being an April Fools Day baby!


By eri on Wednesday, February 5, 2003 - 10:53 pm:

    My uncle was born on April Fool's Day! I never really knew him growing up, at all. He doesn't get along with my mother at all. They are always at each others throats. As an adult I have gotten to know him and his entire family and find them to be the most sane of the entire clan! I guess things could be worse than being an April Fools Day baby!


By patrick on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 11:44 am:

    eri you said breast feeding was really painful. why?

    everyone we have spoken too says if its painful, then something else is wrong because though it might be uncomfortable at first, its not supposed to be painful.


By eri on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 12:26 pm:

    It wasn't painful to breastfeed. That was normal, but my girls were in the hospital for a while before they came home.

    Normally you start nursing right away and your milk comes in to the amount that the baby needs. My baby was in a hopsital, so I had to use a pump all of the time and bring the milk in to the hospital. I produced WAYYYY too much milk with Hayley and was almost always engorged. Christ, I could barely fit my tits into a D cup nursing bra and I was about 15 lbs lighter then than I am now. I was huge. I loved it, but there was too much milk and I couldn't relieve it often enough when I went back to work, so I had to dry up.

    With Micki (because she was so much more preemie) my milk never came in right and she couldn't learn how to latch on right, so that was painful. I gave up after about a month. She had so many little things going on with her body (heart, lungs, digestive system, and size) that I just decided trying to continue to teach this to her was too hard on her and she did great with a bottle (and damn did she need the food in bigger quantities) so I just quit. I gave her enough milk to get her through the critical phases of health problems and she got through them without surgery, but once she was just to the point of growing and maturing, I didn't bother. That was more emotionally painful than anything else, because I so wanted to be able to breastfeed her since I was going to be home with her and not have the work conflict. That and for some reason I felt like less of a woman since my milk never came in right, like why couldn't I do this perfectly natural thing that all mothers do, you know?

    It isn't painful to breastfeed if you are able to work with the baby from the start and your milk production is what the baby needs, except one day. Approx 3-4 days after little weiner is born the actual milk will come in, vs. the colostrum (don't know if I spelled it right) and when that happens it is so quick that you get really full and engorged and it can hurt, though not too bad, you just pump it out and it's fine.


By patrick on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 12:55 pm:

    i see.


    nico is convinced she is getting a prosthetic belly after the baby.

    oh the advantages of being pregnant.


    for example, tonight is the stones concert.

    the staples center gave us tickets (at random they say) way the fuck up in nosebleed. at a hockey game once, nico got vertigo. playing the preggers card picking the tix up the other day, she said something to the booth attendant and they lowered us about 10 rows, still upper deck, but an isle seat, 2nd row.

    she emails the NRDC, the environmental group that is sponsoring this concert for Global Warming, they respond immediately, apologizing that the nin com poop staff at Staples should have put her on a lower level.

    so now, we go to Will Call booth and get lower seats upon arriving tonight.

    Now if she could only work that magic to meet Mick and the gang.


By eri on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 01:05 pm:

    Too bad I never was able to milk those cards when I was pregnant. When I tried to everyone told me it was all in my head and I had to get over it.


By patrick on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 01:38 pm:

    that sucks.


    people part the red sea when they see a pregnant woman coming.


By Spider on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 01:49 pm:

    Patrick, another cause for pain while nursing is that the skin on the nipple can dry out, crack, and bleed. My mom had that problem.


By patrick on Thursday, February 6, 2003 - 02:11 pm:

    thats preventable though.


By patrick on Friday, February 7, 2003 - 01:01 pm:

    agatha, you know anything about this

    I just learned of it, forwarding it the wife, but to be honest it looks a little silly.


    large groups of hipsters make me nervous, overly cynical and generally uneasy.


By agatha on Friday, February 7, 2003 - 08:40 pm:

    I had an epidural in the 12th hour of my labor. Trust me, you really don't want to hear the story of my labor and delivery.

    Pain in breastfeeding is not preventable. It can be soothed, but it is inevitable to have some pain in the first month. Everyone I've ever known that breast fed, and I know many many moms that have, had at least some pain and discomfort in the first months of breastfeeding. For some, it's not so bad, but having a child suck on your breast once every two hours all day long is bound to produce a little soreness.

    I haven't heard anything about that gathering, but it reminds me of the ladyfest we had here in Olympia. Now, they're having them all over the place. I think that things like that rock, but I'm all about the community building events.


By J on Saturday, February 8, 2003 - 12:37 am:

    It's not pretty when your baby wants a feeding and your not there,cause the milk will come out anyway and it will hurt you,so get some breast pads.


By eri on Saturday, February 8, 2003 - 01:26 am:

    Oh hell yes. Not just your baby, but you could be shopping at the mall or something and another baby cries and out spills milk. I still get that feeling even though there isn't any more milk. It never goes away.


By pamela on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 07:08 pm:

    Hey Patrick, it was I who was talking about nursing being painful.

    It is painful. When I wrote last time, I was at the end (and peak) of the pain. This happened with my son as well as my daughter. It lasted about 6 weeks, with the last week being hell. It was a lot more painful this time then I remember it being with my son, but it could just be b/c it is fresher in my mind.

    To try and prevent nipple soreness/blistering/bleeding, get some pure lanolin. They have some that comes in a purple tube called Lanisoh (I believe that is what it is called) and it works really well. I would recommend wearing breast pads when using the lanolin b/c it can stain clothes. It is safe for your baby to breastfeed while using it too.

    I have no problems with pain anymore while nursing. So if she can just make it past the first 6 weeks or so, she should be home free.

    Also, I had a doula with my first child and I really wish I could have had one with my last one. Had we known where the hell we were going to be when I had Bianca, I'm sure I would have had a doula. Doula's are wonderful. We met our doula b/c she was our lamaze teacher. She was great. She normally charges $300 but b/c we were having money problems at the time my son was born, she only charged us $150. Not only was she there to help make sure my birth plan was followed, and that I had plenty of support, she also typed up a two page synopsis of Ethan's birth. It was really great.

    If you can get a doula, I would highly recommend it. They are by far worth the money.


By moonit on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 09:50 pm:

    what the hell is a doula?


By Nate on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:21 am:

    let's not go over this again. please pay attention, moonit.


By sarah on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:41 am:


    don't mind her. she's high on Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.




By moonit on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 03:35 pm:

    I'll just go stand in the corner with my chocolate stained face : )




By patrick on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 03:36 pm:

    theres a link above where eri asked the same question. scroll up


By moonit on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 04:39 pm:

    Yeah I saw that. Thats why I'm in the corner.

    Sarah, you rock - I am trying not to scoff them all and its so hard.


By agatha on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 07:11 pm:

    It's really common for them to go overkill on the epidural, leaving the entire lower portion of one's body numb, and making it near to impossible for any pushing to happen, consequently.

    Epidural bad!


By Nate on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 12:28 am:

    sounds good to me.

    this weed is like an epidural.

    push what?


By pamela on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:10 pm:

    With my first epidural, I was completely numb, from the top of my uterus down. I couldn't move my legs, let alone hold them up, so I had my mom and husband holding up my legs. But I had no problems pushing. I had a small "window" near the top of my uterus where I could feel slightly when I was having another contraction. I pushed my son out in less than a half hour.

    With my daughter (second epidural), I was numb, but more of a tingly numb. I could still move my legs, and I still had some sensation. I could feel things stretching, but I couldn't feel pain. I think that was better than the first, b/c I actually felt like I got more of an experience with the last one. I push my daughter out in like 15 to 20 minutes.

    I think it may depend on the person, and also who your doctor is, b/c I had no problems with either of my epidurals. Or, I could just be damn lucky. Who knows?


By kazoo on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:14 pm:

    is an epidural the same thing as a saddle-block?


By sarah on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:30 pm:


    when i had my epidural for 4 days i was only numb from my abdomen to my tailbone. my legs were fully functional.





By J on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:32 pm:

    I think so,that's what they called it when I had mine,also nobody told me to not lift my head after having one and I had the worst headache for 3 days,man was I crying.


By Spider on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:25 pm:

    Hey, that's the same problem people have (deathly headaches) when they have a spinal tap. Epidurals must do something to the pressure in the spinal fluid.


By patrick on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 12:43 pm:

    just an update


    so the baby has definitely dropped.

    nico says she feels like shes dialating.

    we'll know for sure today at an appointment.

    Last night in the shower she felt like the baby was going to slip right out.

    On the family front. My mom is driving me completely fucking nuts.


    She possesses this petty competitiveness with nico's parents and she refuses to come when they are here. she just wont do it and cites "it will be too much for you two and the baby to have us all at once". Of course i tell her thats not the case and that the month of april is when we are off. but she insists on coming in may, when nico is getting back into the work grove and taking a 3 day trip to brussels in the middle of may (with our midwife's blessing short of an emergency c section).

    my mom wears her emotions on her sleeve and is taking it that we dont want her and my step dad out here and its an "inconvenience" fo us when its really a matter of whats best for us. she keeps forgetting that its us with the newborn, not her.

    her inability to get over the petty competition with nico's family, her inability to adjust their schedule later in april (she wont say but they are going out of town, most likely to some bullshit golf related bougousie bullshit retreat). ifg it was a business trip she would have said so, but she hasnt leading me to believe she knows its shameful.

    she has a history of ruining our visits to the east coast making stinks about whether or not nico's family is getting more time with us or not (we've gotten to the point where we schedule time, by the hour, fairly just to shut my mom up, but she still finds room to bitch).

    She taints every visit with this shit prior and ive had it.

    I told her she can come anytime in april, when we have the baby and when we're off work and available for them to visit. otherwise she can wait till june, when nico has gotten her work grove back, we've adjusted a bit better and her brussels trip is over with.


    there. done. off my chest.


    back to more important matters at hand.


By eri on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 02:27 pm:

    Spunky's mother likes to do the same thing. They changed plans on us during Christmas and we made everyone else change plans to accomodate them and then they changed plans again and we told them that we couldn't. They left the exact moment that we pulled in the driveway. We didn't see them at all. They are still sending emails bitching us out for not being there on time. They sent Trace guilt trip emails and phone calls because by not changing plans AGAIN we were putting "outsiders" before "family". Outsiders being my ex's family (who only asked for a couple of hours) who are wonderful grandparents to BOTH girls. Outsiders being my best friend who calls 5 times a week and emails me 5 times daily and made 2 trips in one year to visit us, when they didn't even call us until they realized we weren't going to be at their beck and call on this vacation.

    They drove us absolutely nuts. When Trace's uncle died (while we were driving home the next day) they were still a pain in the ass. They told us not to send flowers or plants to his aunt and then went out and bought flowers for her and put our names on it and didn't even tell us they were doing it. They didn't let us do anything and then did all of this shit in our names which is not what we would have done, if that makes sense.

    Basically they play the same fucked up emotional games.

    I have come to one conclusion. I will make my decision and stand firm by it. They will have to deal with it. Spunky is on the same page. If nothing you do is going to be good enough to make them happy anyways, then do what you want to do and they can join in or fuck off.

    So go ahead and tell your mom that April is best, or that they can come out in May. They have to understand that YOU are the ones having the baby and trying to fit this huge new change into your lives and that they are going to have to work around that. If your Mom can't handle this, I am sorry, but really, it is Nico and that baby that you are going to have to look out for. You have a life and you have plans and they don't revolve around your mom. If she wants to be a part of this then she needs to let those plans revolve around your needs.

    Maybe I am just being a cold hearted bitch again, but shit, you are going to have a lot on your plate and so is Nico. You don't need emotional games to take the joy out of this. This is your miracle and you should love every second of it.


By patrick on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 02:42 pm:

    the thing is you have two kids. you have to pack the car, toys, diapers etc etc etc. all they have to do is get in the car and go.

    they have the greater flexibility.

    im not playing into the emotional deflection, putting everything back on us. i resent and wont be apart of it. and ive told her.

    its just a bitch because she does this and taints what should be a pleasant visit.


By trace on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 02:56 pm:

    my folks live in lincoln, ne.
    we lived in KC when Mikayla was born.
    She was in the hospital for 2 months, and my folks were in Kansas City twice while she was in the hospital.
    Guess how many times they came in to see her?
    0


By eri on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 02:58 pm:

    I am not saying that you should play into the emotional deflection. I am saying that when it comes down to it, you and nico and the baby are the ones having to make big changes and if they want to be a part of it then they need to come out when you have the time, like you said.


    "the thing is you have two kids. you have to pack the car, toys, diapers etc etc etc. all they have to do is get in the car and go."

    This is exactly why it was such a bitch with my in-laws. They just pack up and go ALL OF THE TIME and have never bothered to visit let alone call, so when we pack up everything we fucking own to go to visit, they can bee a lot more flexible and meet us in KS, since they were already there anyways.

    It does take the excitement out of the visit. That just ruins it for me.

    I would just say, stay strong and be you and things will be what they will be. At least you will now you are doing the right thing for Nico and the baby.


By sarah on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:29 pm:

    yeah, talk to me about parental drama.


    anyway, when the baby drops, doesn't that mean like
    any MOMENT now??




By J on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 12:40 pm:

    How was the appointment?


By patrick on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 12:58 pm:

    not exactly sarah but close.

    it just means she's moving closer and closer to the birth canal.

    we havent seen the "bloody show" yet, that is the mucuous membranes capping the cervix breaking and being expelled, meaning dialation is beginning and that the water will soon break.

    the midwife didnt check for dialation yesterday because she feels its not necessary. if she were to look, and see she is 1 centimeters, then we are freaked out for the next week or two. she said for us to just let it come, we'll know with the contractions or the water breaking.

    the baby can drop anywhere from 2-4 weeks prior to birth.

    the apppointment is great as always. our midwife rules. she likes us a lot because in her words " your gusy are hip, intelligent and not the usual latino/teen case i see way too much of". Her fiance is a photographer and i brought her my portfolio of nico pics the last 9 months yesterday. she's in her mid 40s, super fucking cool and totally progressive, supportive and has anticipated our every need and given us every bit of confidence.

    shes going on vacation and will most likley miss the birth, but the other midwife on staff will be looking after us, both are totally hip and comforting. since kaiser cant afford 24 midwife service, there is a chance we will be tended to by a doctor, but these two midwives have trained the docs. our 'carte blanch' so to speak is that if the doctor does something we dont want (like cutting the umbilical cord too soon or not putting baby immediately on mama's belly) we are advised to say "chill doc, susan is our miwife and she told us, to tell you to chill".

    docs tend to rush and be too procedural about things.

    we have a whole birth plan spelled out in an outline form on laminated paper we are to hand over.

    we're so prepared in some aspects its silly.


By semillama on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 01:09 pm:

    Will the laminated birth plan go into your scrap book?


By patrick on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 01:37 pm:

    probably.


By patrick on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 12:24 pm:

    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby





    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby










    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby






    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby











    (im calling her home, im tired of waiting)


By eri on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 12:33 pm:

    Is she going into labor yet or are you just getting anxious?


By patrick on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 12:40 pm:

    the latter.


    she has cramping, fluttering, and what not but with no regularity at this time.


By Nate on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 02:19 pm:

    damn, it's coming isn't it.

    my sister-in-law took the 4runner airborne the other day. hit a patch of ice, narrowly missed oncoming traffic as she flew across the lanes, shot into the air, careened into a tree. my neice and nephew suffered not a bit in their carseats. my sister-in-law turned out fine, stress related muscle stiffness type thing surfacing later.

    when they landed, my niece (4 years old) took my sister-in-law to task- "what did YOU do?"


By Nate on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 02:22 pm:

    btw: the 2 year old was in the same carseat you ended up picking, patty. plaid and everything.


By patrick on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 02:26 pm:

    was she using the new LATCH system, wherein the seat is literally clipped to hooks built into the frame?

    this removes any play what so ever that a seatbelt may have because it doesnt even use the car seat belts. i mean i know seatbelts lock when the brakes are applied but sometimes the breaks aren't applied.

    I have the seat installed and its secure as a motherfucker, im quite at ease.

    glad your peeps are ok.


By wisper on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 06:27 pm:

    April 2nd, patty, i'm fuckin telling you.


By agatha on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 06:47 pm:

    I'm going to gun for March 23, on Dave's behalf.


By patrick on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 06:50 pm:

    ok. noted guys.

    they there is a .01% chance she will come out a he so nate is still in that running but it doesnt look good.

    i said 10 days on saturday so that would put me atthe 26th.


By semillama on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 07:17 pm:

    I think that's my dad's birthday.


By Dani on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 08:18 pm:

    3-31-03


By moonit on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 10:02 pm:

    I reckon Friday the 4th.


By Nate on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 10:10 pm:

    just so long (s)he is an aries.

    i'd say the 29th.

    but the 23rd would be cool too.


By moonit on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 10:53 pm:

    The Pandyr turns 29 on the 11th of April.

    He's such a grumpy Aries.


By Nate on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 11:01 pm:

    i turn 29 on sunday.


By Nate on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 11:01 pm:

    i always new i'd retire before i was 30. damn.


By eri on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 11:26 pm:

    I turn 29 on April 20th. Too late for the baby to come then :(


By Ophelia on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 11:30 pm:

    the 11th is my dad, too. i'm the 21st, so i'm out of the running (so is he, i guess). god, i'm glad something happy is happening. babies are amazing.


By Ophelia on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 11:32 pm:

    eri, i'm 10 years and one day behind you :)


By eri on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 10:08 am:

    My best friend S is one day before me. We should all get together and party!!!!!

    10 years and one day behind me....damn....either you are really young or I am just getting fucking old (the latter probably true).


By J on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 10:16 am:

    My dad's birthday was April 10th.God it's getting sooner than I thought.


By sarah on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 10:23 am:


    i'm gonna bet 03-30-03 as well.

    we should have a pool.




By Spider on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 10:37 am:

    3/27 sounds like a nice date to me.


By Dougie on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 10:55 am:

    3-30 is my sister's birthday. Also, it's the anniversary of Reagan getting shot. Can't believe my little baby sister's going to turn 30.


By eri on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 11:11 am:

    My uncle is an April fools baby. Maybe it will end up April 1st!!!! That would be funny in a twisted kind of way!


By eri on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 11:12 am:

    Patrick, have you guys had your baby shower yet? Did you get the changing table you wanted?


By patrick on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 11:26 am:

    we did have the shower and we opted to forgo the changing table.

    we have a two drawer-type chest thing in her room and we got a changing pad for the top of it. Right now the room is home to a vintage couch on the list to be recovered so we are short on space for the time being.


    everyone remember your dates. maybe i can round up a prize for the weiner.

    i like random guessing games.

    time is moving so slow for us.

    tick tock tick tock



    baaaaaaaaaaaby



    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby






By agatha on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 06:51 pm:

    I am willing to bet that your changing table gets used maybe once every two weeks. We changed Cleo everywhere known to man except for a changing table.

    You might end up having mountains of clean little cotton baby clothes, unfolded, on your changing table. Then you can call it your baby's "wardrobe."


By patrick on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 07:16 pm:

    well we dont actually have a changing table. just a pad on top of her dresser drawers but i understand and expect similar.


By eri on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 08:16 pm:

    We use Micki's to store her toys. I used it as a changing table rarely when she was little, but not often. Same with Hayley. 90% of the time it is easier to change them right where they already are.

    Our changing table was a gift from my super pretentious aunt. It has been through 3 kids so far. Now it is just used to store shoes and toys.

    I doubt it is something I will end up saving, but since it is from my aunt who knows. I just offered it because it is the same thing that you had on the website for your wish list. It's cool. I never would have bought one and just have this one because it was a gift.


By agatha on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 04:44 pm:

    I didn't know you had offered that to Patrick, Eri. Foot in mouth...? Sorry!


By eri on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 04:58 pm:

    That's OK. I am good at catching foot in mouth syndrome. I do it quite often.


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 11:46 am:

    so yesterday she was feeling some fluids drain.

    she's had some cramping but nothing terribly definitive, nothing that I can time with any consistancy.

    but the fluid makes her worry.

    she calls the nurse. nurse laughs and says "YES COME IN!"

    we go. turns out she hasnt lost her water. maybe the beginning of the cervical cap unraveling, but water is in tact. looking at the ultra sound the water level was a bit low, but upon looking at baby's bladder, she hadnt peed in a while.

    fucking neat eh?

    baby is healthy as can be. estimated at around 6.4 lbs. amazing heartbeat. both she and mama couldnt be in better shape.

    anyway..all is well. hopefully within the next 48 hours this show will get underway.

    mother-in-law arrives saturday (ughhhhhh)

    i was hoping baby would be here already to keep mom-in-law occupied.

    last night we were up half the night with a windstorm pounding LA.

    A power line on the block behind us, made huge loud buzzing and lighting-like flashes all night. ive never seen electricity in such a capacity. bolts shooting out and what not. its a warm desert wind so all of our windows are open. the house shook. cats hid.

    now im sitting in the office and the building is literally swaying. like a motherfucker. im moving all over the fucking place.


    its unsettling and this is why im telling you.

    im unsettled.




By Ophelia on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 11:52 am:

    oh boy oh boy!!! here she comes!!!


By sarah on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 11:52 am:


    03/30/03


    hang in there.




By Spider on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 11:54 am:

    Didn't I call 3/27?? Didn't I?

    (She had better be born today, goddammit.)


    Are you in an earthquake or something? What's going on?


By kazoo on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 11:59 am:

    you know...my heart flutters every time this thread comes up.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 12:01 pm:

    I still say it will end up being 4/1!!!!! They said the same thing about the fluid levels with Hayley and I had the same thing happen. That was 3 weeks before Hayley was born, I think, maybe a little longer. Who knows, it was almost 9 years ago?

    I know what kind of storm you are talking about. We got one of those in Missouri something fierce. It ripped out my grandmother's power lines (they ran through a forest and it hit one of the trees and the tree took out the cable) for over a week. We had lightning hit the power transformer and it was sparks and lightning bolts all over the place. Scary but damned beautiful to watch. We ended up in the basement with tornado warning from the high speeds of the winds. It was a long night and went back and forth like that for days, though no more tornado warnings. The did actually have a tornado touch down about 5 miles from my grandmother's place, landing on a car lot and taking out almost all of the cars on the lot. Nasty mess. I know that tornado's are so very rare out there, but since they are relatively commom in the midwest the warnings go off whenever the wind reaches a certain speed which is why ours went off.

    Be careful and enjoy the freakish weather!!!! It doesn't happen often!


By Antigone on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 12:11 pm:

    I call 03/33/03


By kazoo on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 12:13 pm:

    I don't know about the date...I'd say she's a late afternoon/early evening baby.


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 12:19 pm:

    spider. windstorm. 25-35 mph winds with gusts up to 50mph.

    i 've experienced such a storm eri.

    this is different. its a desert condition. im not exactly sure if its just the moisture factor that makes it different. i mean the skies are clear, its sunny as can be...and at night the stars twinkle. the wind feels god damn sexy on your skin. its just wind. nothing else. palm trees touch their toes.

    Spider, i think you're shit out of luck as am i. i predicted yesterday. aint no baby coming today.

    Im guessing more like Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 12:45 pm:

    We used to get those with the desert conditions like that in Apple. Since it was the desert, they never did or said anything. We would be waling to classes and the winds would literally knock us off of our feet. We called it pole hugging windy.

    You're right, it is a damned sexy feeling warm wind. I keep wishing we would get weather like that out here, but it just hasn't happened.

    I still say Monday 4/1. April fools baby.

    It does sound like everything is going great. The might have to break her water, though, if it doesn't on it's own. You will know when the harder contractions or the regular contractions start kicking in.


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 12:47 pm:

    im really hoping they dont have to induce.


By trace on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:02 pm:

    all argument aside, good luck my friend.
    You may be able to witness something I never have had nor will have the oppertunity to witness.
    I envy you


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:13 pm:

    Inducing labor really isn't that bad. Especially if she is already going into labor naturally.

    If she is not showing any signs of having toxemia, then I wouldn't worry, cuz you don't even notice it other than the iv in your arm.

    The only difference it made for me was that I went from being dialated at 3 1/2 cm to 9 cm in a matter of 15 minutes. Then the rushed me into the delivery room and I was already at ten, push once, out came head, twice, body, three times done. It was overall an easy experience and I don't regret having Hayley induced at all. Not that I had a choice in the matter.

    Seriously, I have a completely good feeling about this, so don't worry. It will go fine, no matter what happens from here on out. You will get to see one of the most amazing things, you will be completely overcome by so many emotions you will totally overwhelmed (in a good way) and you will have a happy wife and beautiful daughter in your arms.

    Good luck.


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:33 pm:

    yeah, thanks guys.

    it was really uncomfortable yesterday when they examined her, and i suppose i guess that inducing would require more such invasion.


By trace on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:37 pm:

    that is perfectly understandable.
    I had to watch several such invasions of eri, and I know exactly how you felt.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:47 pm:

    Inducing doesn't involve more invasions. All it is is an IV drip. The amount of invasions are the same whether you induce or not.

    Honey, what you saw was much worse than invasions. Even I didn't know wtf was going on. You got to see the absolute worst. I am sorry that I wasn't able to give you normacly when having your baby. I wish I could try again and have everything be normal, but I am just cursed that way. Besides. We don't need any more kids or insanity!!!!


By spunky on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:50 pm:

    no, no more children..
    And you have no reason to be sorry
    I was talking about the time in california when we took you to that stupid hospital in san bernardino.

    that was awful


By semillama on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:51 pm:

    Trace, don't give up hope on seeing it. You have daughters, after all. Just put a clause into your will that states you have to be present at the births of their first-born children.


By trace on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:54 pm:

    i dont know about that.
    eri wanted her mom in the delivery room with mikayla, and I was not too happy about that.
    i would not want to encrouch on one of my daughter's husband's rights or territory.


By trace on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 01:58 pm:

    i will be there however if there is not a father who is willing to be.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 02:01 pm:

    You never know. They might want you there. Though I didn't want my father there. Some things I just don't want him to see.

    Hey honey, since my sister has flashed you so many times maybe you can see her give birth to another unfortunate soul!!!!!!!


By kazoo on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 02:01 pm:

    I don't think you would be doing that. Can you have more than one person there? Didn't agatha have several people with her when she delivered Cleo? If ever I deliver a baby, I'd want my mother with me. Sem and me mum.


By trace on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 02:03 pm:

    eri,
    all i can say to your question is ewe


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 02:11 pm:

    Nico was mixed about her mum being there.

    Her and her mum dont have a bad relationship per se, but her mom hasn't exactly been forthcoming and open with her when it has come to women's issues such as birth control and such.

    when we were first dating she approached her mom about birth control and the conversation was quickly changed.

    thats mostly generational but nico just has been disapointed with how open her mom has been about such things.

    she has since said she will allow her mom in the delivery room, her mom being totally supportive of whatever she decided, because this could very well be the only time her mum will ever get to be a part of this.

    Our birthing center doesnt recommend anymore than two people. Any more could be distracting for nurses and doctors as well as mom.

    As I understand eri, to rupture the placenta it is an invasive measure, right? AS i understood from out birthing classes, if an artifial rupture is needed they do it via the an exam.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:15 pm:

    It's just a needle, and believe me, she will be spreading her legs so often to get checked that you become somewhat immune to it, kinda like AGAIN????? It's not any more invasive then when the check to see how far you are dialated. It looks scary this long stick with a needle point at the end, but you don't even feel it. Just the gust of water as it is released.

    They didn't do anything to me other than check the cervix, show me the needle, tell me they are going to rupture my water and bam. No big deal at all and nothing freaky, no fingers in odd or uncomfortable places or anything like that, just prop your knees up, let me feel your cervix, gush. Easy as pie.


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:21 pm:

    im going to faint now.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:30 pm:

    Oh, just wait. It gets better. Have you guys discussed whether or not you are going to have an epesiotomy (sp?)? Most doctors won't give you a choice and will just go in and do it, so if you are against it you will have to watch the doctor very carefully and will probably have a fight on your hands.


By spunky on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:32 pm:

    oh good god


By Spider on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:41 pm:

    My mother tore when my brother was born and my dad fainted from seeing all the blood. Good luck!


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:43 pm:

    I had the epesiotomy. It was such a relief. No one in the room fainted, but then again, it happened SOOOOOOOO fast that there really wasn't time for anyone to faint.


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:46 pm:

    there's really no discussion.

    our midwife doesnt believe in giving them, unless absolutely necessary.

    Its in our birth plan not to give one and its bullshit that doctors would do so automatically. Thats fucked up.

    this is key difference in midwives and doctors, the perception of necessary practice and non-necessary practices.

    further, since the baby isnt on the large side, theres no reason to even consider it. it could happen naturally. so be it.

    with a birth plan, doctors & nurses are bound to read it abide by it as much as possible unless there is a significant risk to mom or baby.

    our midwife most likely wont be present for the birth because she is on vacation but she has trained most of the doctors at our birth center so if they try anything stupid such as shoving a bottle in its mouth, anything short of plopping that baby on mama's chest right after birth, cutting the cord too fast, epsiotomy, shaving her, constant fetal monitoring (unless absolutely necessary) and other things like this....so we have been instructed to say "Susan is our midwife and she said to chill the fuck out"




By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:51 pm:

    if you have more children eri, i would wholly recommend a midwife. from everything i have heard and experienced myself, its a much more pleasant pregnancy with them. agatha would probably back me up on this as well.

    espiotomy is not a good thing, and more times than not is unnecessary.

    see.....with midwivery, they are actually taking steps backwards in birthing.

    doctors tend be liability-minded so they do all this unnecessary bullshit to cover their asses making the already difficult birth process even more unpleasant.

    as our midwife put it, doctors view pregnant women as a condition, a diagnosis, a problem to be solved, where as midwifes view pregnancy as a natural rite of passage for women giving more trust in the human body with less outside interference.

    doctors wanna stick an epidural in ya, hook you up and strap you down, where as midwives encourage you to get up, walk, take showers, use big funny bouncy balls, squat, take baths and so on.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 04:03 pm:

    Glad to hear you have a plan on it. Just be careful with the doctors. My cousin does stuff like a doula and has almost gotten kicked out of the delivery room cuz doc decides to do an episiotomy when her birth plan says she doesn't want it. Some docs out there decide to do them to keep a woman from ripping, so just be prepared for that one. From what I understand it is pretty common out there.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 04:10 pm:

    I definately could have used mid wives when I was pregnant, but due to my health problems we won't be having any more little ones.

    I was very lucky to have survived having Micki, very lucky indeed. I still don't know how I did make it through. I thought I was dead the moment they went to put me under, and I thought Micki was dead, too. Then my doctor looked me straight in the face and said "Try that again and die".


By patrick on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 04:11 pm:


    i will fight for the terrirotial integrity of my wifes poonani.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 04:14 pm:

    LOL


By wisper on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 09:27 pm:

    "so yesterday she was feeling some fluids drain."


    oh my.


    4/2 ! 4/2 ! 4/2! !!!!


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 09:46 pm:

    I still say 4/1 !!!!


By wisper on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 10:01 pm:

    see, i was supposed to be born on 4/1, but they had to induce, so my mom demanded that i not be born on april fools day. She said it was worth waiting 24 hours to spare me a life of shitty joke birthday gifts.

    i think it would have been cool.


By eri on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

    My Uncle was born on April Fool's Day. Funny thing was that there were never any jokes that he knew of. I mean there were little comments when we were old enough to understand but they were lame.

    I think an April Fool's baby would be cool. Too bad I can no longer try. Then again. One night of fertility is all it takes with me. I make fertile mertyl look like she needs a fertility clinic!!!!


By Platypus on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 01:08 pm:

    4/1


By patrick on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 04:59 pm:

    reporting to you, live, embedded in my wife's womb, i can confirm, we are in "early labor".

    contractions appear regular and sustained.

    it won't be long now.


    some of yous might make that 4/1 predict.


By Nate on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:31 pm:

    where the hell are you patty? did she pop? well? did she?


By wisper on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:36 pm:

    damn you , it's 4 2!!!


By agatha on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 11:33 pm:

    babybabybaby!


By spunky on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 11:54 pm:

    OK, anyone want to start a weight pool?


By Spider on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:22 am:

    Yay!

    6 lbs. 13 oz.


By sarah on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:06 am:


    where the hell is she already? she's late! she's a day late!




By Nate on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 12:43 pm:

    you notice patty isn't around.


By spunky on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 01:02 pm:

    first baby...

    5 lbs 8 oz


By dave. on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:09 pm:

    7 lbs 12 oz


By eri on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:09 pm:

    He's at the hospital with her! It will be an April fools baby!!!! hehehe.

    First baby, within 4 ounces of 7 lbs, either way.


By Nate on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:37 pm:

    200 oz.


By sarah on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:33 pm:


    6 lbs 10 oz.



By eri on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:42 pm:

    Nate, that is 12 and a half pounds. I don't wish that on ANY WOMAN!!!!!


By kazoo on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:47 pm:

    My cousin had an 11 and some ounces baby.

    She was huge, delivered via C-section, and looked about three months old when she was only just a few days.


By kazoo on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:54 pm:

    7 pounds 6 ounces

    I was 8 pounds and something...I was a long baby. My mother was so large they thought she was having twins. My dad said took an x-ray to find out.

    dave./agatha...how big was cleo?

    eri...what about hayley? I know micki weighed less than my wallet.


By semillama on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 02:59 pm:

    6 pounds 9 ounces - that's the magic number.


By eri on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 03:14 pm:

    Hayley was 3 lbs. 3 oz. Micki was 1 lb. 12 oz. Literally the exact half of Hayley.

    Remember, I am a walking pregnancy problem. I also have small babies. If I wasn't sick and went full term, I would still only have 5 lb. babies.


By kazoo on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 03:26 pm:

    I remember you posting about that.

    damn that's tiny.


By Dave. on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 03:35 pm:

    i've eaten slabs a beef bigger'n micki!

    kazoo: holy shit, i can't remember! less than 8?

    i was 9lbs 3oz. gave me mum wicked stretch marks.


By dave. on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 03:36 pm:

    cocksucker!!


By eri on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 03:42 pm:

    I got lucky. The only stretch marks I had went away when I shrunk back down. I have like two little ones on my legs and that is it. You have to really look for them. I did wind up with a wicked ugly scar that covers my belly, though. Natural childbirth is so much better than C-Sections! I swear. I hate my scar!


By J on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 04:13 pm:

    Looks like miss milkdud is really here,aw a tiny waffelette:)


By eri on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:38 pm:

    I am waiting to hear from Patrick, but I am sure she is at the hospital at least by now. He was so excited. How cute. I just hope all is going well for mama and baby!


By wisper on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

    i have stretchmarks on my upper legs. I don't know why. I've never gained or lost any signifigant amount of weight.
    i blame it on tons and tons of rollerskating, rollerblading and swimming while i was still growing, perhaps the skin didn't grow fast enough for the muscles.

    baby baby baby.
    On second thought, i hope it is born on 4/1 instead of 4/2.
    Don't want some milkdud stealing my thunder.


By eri on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:55 pm:

    That is the only place that I have stretch marks, too. I blame it on the immense swelling I had after giving birth to Micki, but it could have been the massive amounts of roller skating and swimming I did while growing as well. Who knows. All I remember is that my legs were so swollen that I couldn't feel the skin even when I shaved my legs. I remember feeling like an elephant. I have always had short, thick legs anyways, so I guess it makes sense that is where the stretch marks ended up.

    I just hope that all goes well and that we hear from Patrick about milkdud SOON! I WANT DETAILS!!!!!


By Platypus on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:04 pm:

    On April First!

    Seven pounds, three ounces, for the record.


By agatha on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 07:15 pm:

    Cleo was 7 pounds 15 oz, so I'm going to go with that weight for Milkdud also.


By Dani on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 07:57 pm:

    6lb, 12oz


By semillama on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 08:46 am:

    The suspense is killing me.


By sarah on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 08:48 am:

    yeah, this sucks. he's doing this to torment us, i know it.




By Antigone on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 10:36 am:

    A friend of the family had a 12 lb baby a few years back. Said baby is now touring with the Toxic Avenger, driving a biodiesel school bus his mom bought him.


By patrick on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:30 pm:

    on 03/30/03 5:56pm eva jude came roaring into this land of infidels, riding the gush of divine water, mick and keith serenading her all the way.

    completing our triumvirate. 3's being such a key number in the heavens and earth alike.

    she added 6.46lbs to this teetering planet in addition to her spirit of luminous grandeur.

    within moments, on her mom's chest, after pooping and peeing all over mom's legs, i cut the cord, she sprayed her gorgeous blood all over me and my white shirt and i cried. i was the biggest baby in the room. my legs trembled, mom's heart sunk with her last gasp & shriek still resonating the sterile halls and i looked to this sweet child, gave her my first kiss. her eyes, glanced to me and with her boney fingers without hesitancy, she gave me the bird.

    my blessed child.

    it shouldnt be any other way.











    we just got home about an hour ago.

    we are so extremely well.

    eva couldnt not have been more perfect. im biased of course, but she IS the prettiest baby ever. her face completely round, eyes, bold and dark, her hair dashing and brown, skin of olive.





    no intentional torment on my part. are you kidding? i am the proudest pappa.

    i just havent been home, have had little sleep.


    in time i will give you all the details of the labor & birth.


By kazoo on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:31 pm:

    yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!


    WELCOME MILKDUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By kazoo on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:35 pm:

    oooooh patrick I am so happy for you.


By semillama on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:37 pm:

    Way to Go!!!!!

    For the record, I think I was closest with my guess of birthweight.


By Spider on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:37 pm:

    The baby's here!! Joy! Congratulations, Patrick and Nico!


By Dougie on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:48 pm:

    Congrats, Patrick -- that's awesome news!

    Well, looks like me and Sarah win the birthdate guessing prize.


By sarah on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:49 pm:

    congratulations! i'm so glad to hear it went well. please post pic of eva asap!


    3/30/03!! (i win)



By eri on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:51 pm:

    Congratulations Patrick and Nico! Welcome Eva! I am glad to hear that all went well and that everyone is happy and healthy!

    Now.......good luck getting any regular sleep!


By Bigkev. on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:54 pm:

    Congrats proud papa!


    Say goodbye to the next 5 years sleep.... hehe



By Antigone on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 04:55 pm:

    Congrats, d00d!

    sarah, we tie. I claimed 3/33/03. :)


By Dani on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 05:13 pm:

    Best wishes, Patty.


By J on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 05:17 pm:

    Welcome to the human race Eva Jude:) Congrats Patrick and Nico:)


By Lapis on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 06:07 pm:

    She's gonna be a badass. Congrats.


By wisper on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 06:14 pm:

    "glanced to me and with her boney fingers without hesitancy, she gave me the bird"

    fuckin' RIGHT ON.

    yeah!


By jack on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:03 pm:

    congratulations patrick, nico, and eva!


By jack on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:06 pm:

    by the way, is eva pronounced

    ee-va (long e sound)

    or

    a-va (long a sound)

    ?


By agatha on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:19 pm:

    I'ma quote Kurt Vonnegut, because he says it better than I ever could...

    Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies: Goddammit, you've got to be kind.

    Congratulations to Nico, Patrick, and Eva. Phase two of your lives, coming up...


By agatha on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:20 pm:

    Oh, and...

    pictures, stat!


By eri on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:23 pm:

    I agree wholeheartedly. WE NEED PICTURES!!!!


By Ophelia on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:31 pm:

    hey eva jude, it sounds like you are wonderful. hope you are feeling well. i can tell that your daddy loves you very much. beautiful baby!!!


By Platypus on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 07:41 pm:

    Yay Patrick! And Eva. And Nico.

    Welcome to this peculiar and funny world.


By spunky on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 08:57 pm:

    Patrick & Neco,
    Welcome to parenthood.
    The best and the hardest is yet to come.
    Stay strong through the long nights, patience are a virtue.

    Most of all, congradulations.
    The closest I have ever come to the way I felt when Mikayla was born was the day we got married.
    I am sure the same is true for you Patrick.
    being a Proud Papa of a new baby girl is a euphoria that drugs cannot duplicate.

    I hope you are not up reading this stuff right now, but getting much deservered and needed sleep.

    PS I think we lost your mailing address, can you send if you do not mind, please?


By spunky on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 08:57 pm:

    dammit, sorry I mispelled Nico's name


By heather on Tuesday, April 1, 2003 - 09:17 pm:

    aww

    baby


By dave. on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 01:09 am:

    awesome, patrick. that's beautiful. welcome to a brand new thing.


By Cat on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 03:17 am:

    Happy Birthday Ms Eva.

    xoxooxox


By Spider on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 08:39 am:

    Jack, Patrick has said that he's going with Ee-va.


By Czarina on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 10:32 am:

    Congads Papa Paddy!


By jack on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 01:28 pm:

    thanks spider. i figured that got covered somewhere.


By moonit on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 02:42 pm:

    Congratulations : )


By patrick on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 10:24 pm:


By dave. on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:02 am:

    post b i g g e r pics. m u c h bigger.


By Bigkev on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:06 am:

    yes, bigger pics are necessary!

    Shes a beauty alright, you are justified in your bragging....

    all the best...


By kazoo on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:12 am:

    ohmygoodness she is adorable!!!!!!


    hooray for patrick and nico and eva milkdud

    wow.


By heather on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:21 am:

    is it me, or does she have crazy long fingers?

    grr you baby havers [that was some odd form of jealousy if you couldn't tell]


By Nate on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:24 am:

    hey, good job!


By patrick on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:58 am:

    yeah, she does have long fingers...you should see her toes.

    unfortunately im lacking image manipulation because im having to use this shit junker scanner/fax/printer combo thing so i have to tape images to a piece of paper to feed the scanner. then of course im using friggin ms paint to do any image manip as we dont have pshop...so, for now, this monkey method will have to work.



    see me and my labor antics with the conductivity gel?

    i had an idea that perhaps it could make for some interesting sex. i was tempted to steal a tube.


    anyway

    a synopsis of the birth....after i posted sat, her contractions became more and more regular

    we went to the hospital sunday around 2am. when she got there she was only 1 centimeter..so they said they would send us home. we protested. she was in terrible pain , so they gave her some morphine and waited 4 hours to see where she was at around 8ish, she was 4 centimeters. they move us to the birthing suite. the contractions get worse. wayyyyyy worse. she opts for the epidural. oh well, so much for the hippy shit.
    after the epidural she is good as pie. watching the monitor, contractions she screamed bloody murder through 15 minutes prior, she is now able to have a conversation about what she wants to do during her time off. she goes from 4 centimeters to fully dialated in about 3 1/2 hours. blamo! she pushes for about hour and a half, like a champ mind you. she was keeping us leg minders busy.

    anyway, all was so extremely well. no complications nothing.....

    and now we have this perfect little poopy pants and teat monster.

    which btw...her cans man. holy cow!!!!




By dave. on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 00:40 am:

    hey, patrick. you need a copy of photoshop or acdsee?


By patrick on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 02:20 am:

    perhaps. not sure what acdsee is. are they super huge programs? pc version?

    otherwise sure, wtf not.


By Lapis on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 02:51 am:

    She should play the piano.


By J on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 09:25 am:

    She's a little doll,beautiful.


By sarah on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 10:20 am:


    she really is a beautiful little milkdud. wow, i rarely see attractive newborns. usually they're all squished up, wrinkly, and alien looking.

    i love the photo of her screaming her head off. or is she yawning? i'd prefer to imagine her squealing her little newborn head off, it makes me giggle.



    and yeah. grrrrr to the baby havers.




By dave. on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 10:41 am:

    mailing address again?


By Spider on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 10:48 am:

    Awwwww...she looks like her mama.


By kazoo on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:05 pm:

    "i rarely see attractive newborns. usually they're all squished up, wrinkly, and alien looking"

    That was my first thought.

    no grrr here, although I've been entertaining those fantasies...not likely going to happen, but it's fun to think about.



By patrick on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 11:38 pm:

    yeah, she's squeeling right there.


    awww i feel so great.

    we actually got a few blocks of 1.5 hours or more sleep. at one point she and i fell asleep, her on my chest, on the couch watching some movie on sundance called "Good Baby". what a good night.

    she really is such a mild mannered, patient little pooper. such a grip on them fingers.

    lapis, if shes like her mom, yeah, she can play keys, but if she's like her dad, with his long tit-sticks, she wont be able to do anything with them except pick her nose and give people extraordinary middle fingers.


By wisper on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 10:37 pm:

    "do anything with them except pick her nose and give people extraordinary middle fingers."

    this is all you need.


By Nate on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 10:23 am:

    anyone else find it odd that no one has mentioned 2021 yet?


By semillama on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 00:08 pm:

    Sealab 2021?

    The year 2021, when she'll be 18?


By eri on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 01:04 pm:

    Yeah, the 2021 thing kinda has me going "Huh?" (please not confused scrunched up face, as it happens often here).


By Nate on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 01:32 pm:

    sorabjifest 2024:

    6am, 3/31/24, eva's pad.

    and, er, a week after i turn 50. damn.


By eri on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 02:56 pm:

    3 weeks before I hit 50. Ugh.


By Dougie on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 02:57 pm:

    I'll bring the Geritol and Depends.


By Spider on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 03:11 pm:

    In 2024, I will be a foxy 46-year-old, and (if I take after my mother), I will look ten years younger.





By eri on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 03:43 pm:

    Here's hoping I won't take after my mother! I am hoping for that ageless look where you can't tell how old I am but just think not in her 20's but still young and hot!


By semillama on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 04:16 pm:

    I'll be headed towards 52 then...


By agatha on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 04:42 pm:

    56, with a wide ass like my mom's. Scary!


By Nate on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 04:56 pm:

    thank the lord for wide asses.


By kazoo on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 05:03 pm:

    49, and I'm sure I'll have the s


By kazoo on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 05:05 pm:

    That was not the post I wanted there.

    I meant to say:

    49, and I am sure I'll have the flat ass that I have now, and if I get my mother's ass, It will still be flat.


By eri on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 05:38 pm:

    Kazoo, maybe we will get lucky and at 49 there will be a way for me to cut off half of my ass (which is HUGE proportionately) and give it to you so yours won't be flat!


By dave. on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 05:45 pm:

    i'll show up as a pound or so of ash. god willing.


By patrick on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 05:52 pm:

    wouldnt that be the shiznit if chicks got ass widening implants. now we're talkin.


By eri on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 06:25 pm:

    Actually they are out there Patrick. Butt implants.

    Last thing that I need.

    What I need is the ability to remove part of my ass and add it to my boobs!


By patrick on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 07:18 pm:

    a colleague of mine is an astrologer and did a read for Eva based on her birthplace, date and time. I take this shit with a grain of salt but its always amusing table talk.



    "Ok, your daughter is Aries with her Moon in Pisces and Libra rising.

    You probably already know a little about Aries, they are fiery, action oriented and tend to be arrogant. They usually have good reason to be, Aries are often very bright and active. As her Sun sign, Aries determines the make up of her soul. She will spend her life growing into this sign and all that it represents. This is the sign of the leader, the person who will GO and DO. Aries is a Fire sign.

    Pisces Moon is idealistic and emotional. They love learning about other people's experiences but can be very tender hearted. Pisces people have universal understanding, but sometimes lose themselves in escapism. Artistry is very important to Pisces Moon. Children more often express their Moon sign than their Sun sign, as the Moon rules your emotions and your needs, and children are both needy and emotional. Pisces is a Water sign.

    Libra rising is diplomatic, friendly, and interested in aesthetics. They prefer that things be calm and considered, but may wind up having difficulties deciding which side they're on. As her rising sign, this will influence both how her personality develops, the conscious self, as well as how she sees the world at large. Libra, the Scales, is the sign of the art lover as well as the judge or lawyer. This is the most common rising sign among American Presidents. Libra is an Air sign.

    Your daughter, being an Aries, is ruled by the planet Mars. Her Mars is in the sign of Capricorn, which is very good. Mars is "exalted" here. Capricorn is the sign of discipline and planning, and Mars is the planet of action and aggression. Mars is tempered in Capricorn, and learns to make the best use of its energies. You will probably see that your daughter has a touch of Capricorn in her soul. Capricorn is an Earth sign.

    Your daughter seems to have a well-balanced psyche, with all four elements being represented (Fire, Water, Air and Earth.)

    Congratulations again! Give me your mailing address? I have printed off a graphic of her chart as well as a page of (very) general meanings, I'll mail it to you."



    Now, interesting enough, a lot of these qualities fit, equally with her parents. The feisty go-to-it, arrogant part being me and the more diplomatic, sensitive, calm, considerate side her mother and a sprinkle of us both in there in terms of bright, active and mindful of aesthetics.


    amusing.


By Ophelia on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 07:20 pm:

    i'll be 40...and eva will be older than i am now...yikes! we're talking about more time than i've been alive for.

    patrick, she's lovely. especially her eyes, they are beautiful. you lied, though, said she looked like a lima bean! (that was after the first ultrasound.) she's much prettier than a lima bean.


By Lapis on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 07:40 pm:

    42. Hopefully I'll act like I'm somewhere in my 20's still.


By dave. on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 09:06 pm:

    i have aries sun, virgo moon and libra rising.

    having a virgo moon and libra rising can really fuck up an aries. also consider, i have the sun and saturn conjunct. saturn is the force of fear and responsibility. on my chart, fear, responsibility and ego are indistinguishable. yay for me. yet another feature of my chart, and everyone else born in the late 60's, is the pluto/uranus conjunct factor. they're somewhat analogous to a spiritual, atomic bomb waiting to go off. for me, they're on the cusp of the 11th and 12th house or state, under virgo. what a mess.



    even though i'm aries, i'm only 20% fire, 40% earth and 40% water. no air. anaerobic.


By Nate on Friday, April 4, 2003 - 10:44 pm:

    patty, did you eat the placenta yet?


By dave. on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 00:39 am:

    i know this ain't the appropriate place for this. it really deserves it's own thread.

    jessica alba is so fucking beautiful.

    flawless.

    *sigh*


By dave. on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 02:29 am:

    aw, c'mon!


By Bigkev on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 10:33 am:

    Dave, were you hoping to incite riot on the baby/future sorabjifest thread?

    or are you just lonely at 2:30in the am?

    btw, i'll be 49 and just as big as now, maybe fatter, but hopefully not... speaking of sorabjifest, where and when is the next? now that im done school, im much more likely to be able to make it....

    As long as the discussions are left online,
    and we just party like its 1999.


By dave. on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 10:39 am:

    naw, i was reading this thread, listening to tunes and watching tv with the sound off. jessica alba was on tv looking mighty fine. mighty fine, indeed. it needed to be said.


By patrick on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 02:32 pm:

    who the fuck is jessica alba?

    mmmmanyway.

    no eatey placenta.

    you should be proud uncle natey, she shits up a perfect storm. she machine gun shits and farts like an old beer pro. seriously, this girl has a helluva constitution.



By dave. on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 03:37 pm:

    she's a purty lady.


By Nate on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 06:18 pm:

    hot damn! i'll come check her out after i sell this house.


By spunkydingo on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 06:21 pm:

    jessica is not real bad, dave


By patrick on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 10:53 pm:

    like, what do you mean "real bad"....as in bad meaning bad or bad meaning good because im trying to get into it man.





    my baby loves the chet baker. ive i had his voice, she'd never cry.


    we took a walk in her fantastic stroller today. her first walk. not too far, just around the block.

    im waiting to find the legion of other pops in the hood for weekly stroller races. i think we gotta shot.




By Spider on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 10:35 am:

    Mmmmm...Chet Baker. Now I like your kid even more.


By dave. on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 00:18 pm:

    who the fuck is chet baker?


By eri on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 00:34 pm:

    I am with Dave on this one. Who is Chet Baker?


By Bigkev on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 01:18 pm:


By Ophelia on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 03:03 pm:

    chet baker: jazz trumpeter and vocalist, he became big on the west coast in the 50s. Died in the late 80s, I think it was drug related (???)...anyways, beautiful jazz. and beautiful voice.


By kazoo on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 05:25 pm:

    I love Chet Baker.


By Dougie on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 05:49 pm:

    My funny Chetbaker,
    Sweet comic Chetbaker,
    He makes me smile with my heart.


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 10:17 am:

    Chet Baker died either falling or being pushed out of a window. He was heavily into drugs (esp. heroin) during the last ~20 years of his life, though he continued to record during that time.

    He was a wonderful trumpet player, and personally, I liked his voice. It was no great shakes, but decently smooth.

    This page has pictures of him in his youth and one from his haggard years. The worst picture I've seen is the cover of one of his last albums -- I don't know why his label allowed his photo to be used.


By kazoo on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 00:28 pm:

    "The worst picture I've seen is the cover of one of his last albums"

    Yes! If that's the one I'm thinking of...doesn't it look like he's melting?


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 00:48 pm:

    Yeah -- that's probably the one. His forehead had huge, deep wrinkles, his hair was long and stringy, his cheeks were gaunt....he just looked terrible.

    I read his autobiography, "As If I Had Wings," and he was in complete denial about the effects that heroin was having on him. What a tragedy.

    As I type, I'm looking at a postcard of a photo of him taken in 1953 (a detail of this picture, actually) -- he was such a clean-cut, nice-looking young man.



    Oh, my comment above about his voice was made because a lot of his critics hated his voice. It *was* pretty colorless, compared to, you know, Frank Sinatra or whoever, but it was still a nice, smooth, jazz voice.


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 00:49 pm:

    Oops -- his autobiography is called "As Though I Had Wings."


By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 00:52 pm:

    bah. i think his voice, outside the traditional standards, was pretty damn alright. it serves as key backing instrument quite right and combined with the recording methods makes for some sexy shit.

    yeah i gotta friend who is on the path to the chet baker fate. he's a very brilliant friend ive had since highschool but frankly just kinda stopped growing up it seems. ya know? the thrill is gone and he's locked into the whole NYC, junkie artist vibe and nothing seems to make him realize how silly and stupid and deadly it is, despite turning blue a few times already.


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 00:54 pm:

    Patrick, my friend, just dig up a copy of that Chet Baker album and hand it to him -- instant sober.

    Now if only I remembered the title...


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 00:59 pm:


By dave. on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:00 pm:

    jessica alba is hotter than chet baker.

    patrick, would you like a big, old scanner? it's good, just huge. probably 12"x24".


By Nate on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:01 pm:

    "Oops -- his autobiography is called "As Though I Had Wings.""

    heh.

    i guess you didn't though, did you now, chet.


By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:14 pm:

    wow dave.

    thats awfully nice.

    im not sure we have space for it at the moment.

    lemme check with the wife and think of some way i could return the favor.





    spider, if turning blue and seeing the light wont turn you away from heroin, a record cover aint gonna do it.


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

    Eh, you're right.


By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:20 pm:

    and back to the thread....its totally strange. i dont think i've sported wood in weeks. its like my libido took a vacation. rightfully so i suppose but whats more pressing is my sleep. being interrupted every 1.5-3.5 hours it seems i never really enter deep sleep or just have a chance to before im brought to life by the cries of milkdud.

    so my dreams are insanely vivid, but i can't remember them, i just feel impacted by them. moreover they are overtly sex-themed. i mean like really really dirty dreams. dont ask me what, cause i dont know. apparently this is same for the mrs. too.


    just another stone in this strange trip that i figure id blurb about.









By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:23 pm:

    i do remember last night being at this huge theater. it was a sex theater. i was doing sexual things with someone...im, not sure who. i was naked in this large red carpeted theater. it was so large, so deep, so high that it was scary. the steps went on for miles it seemed and it was so high up, i scooted down the steps on my butt.

    theater as vagina? i dunno.


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 01:41 pm:

    So how is the baby? Do you see any signs of what her personality will be like? Does she sleep a lot during the day?


By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:06 pm:

    she's well.

    if i had to assess her personality thus far id have to say she's quite docile *most* of the time, but when's pissed, she pissed. she has quite a horn on her and isnt afraid to use it.

    some of the most endearing moments are when she's sleeping or just waking up.

    she makes the cutest expressions, facial ticks and related movements while sleeping. when she wakes up, if she's clean and not terribly hungry she is the best. Her stretches.....extending her long long legs and arms....her lil baby yawns, sneezes hiccups etc are just the sweetest things youve ever seen.

    she's so so about sleeping during the day.her sleep pattern seems to be on a 24 hour plus type of cycle..so it just depends. sometimes shes a great sleeper during the day, and sometimes at night. we have been trying to keep her up more during the day after she feeds. but man....when gets done with 25+ minutes on the teat....she's drunken and hard to keep up.

    my favorite times thus far are falling asleep with her in the crook of my arm and chest on the couch and baths. now the baths themselves, she cant stand. they are a little awkward because she is limited to sponge baths until her nasty cord reminents falls off, but the moments after, when her lil flat butt is wrapped in a towel like a prize fighter and dried....she turns instantly calm. she loves baths and doesnt know it just yet.

    interesting....i learned i was born 6lbs 4oz and 21" long and i grew up to be 6'2". so....it seems she'll be a tall one.

    im doing half days at work this week and im ready to go home by 10.


    oh...something else....she already has developed tears. they say tears dont develop until around 2-3 weeks, but she already has baby tears.


By eri on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:21 pm:

    Here's one for ya Patrick. When you are snuggling her to sleep, place her belly to belly with her head just below your neck or just to the side. When she opens her little eyes she will see the crook of her neck which is a comfort to her and will help calm her, it reminds her of nursing. Also this is great for her heart, lungs and digestive system, helping everything to move along regularly and taking stress off of her internal functioning with in turn will help her developmentally. It sounds kooky, I know, but it is amazing. We saw the effects of this with Micki. When you rock her like this she will become colicky less frequently (due to the digestive system). I realize that phase hasn't started yet, but it will help.


By kazoo on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:22 pm:

    oooooooooooooooh. that's so cute, I can't stand it.

    I really can't.


    babybabybabybabybabybabybabybaby


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

    She sounds so sweet! I love the sounds a newborn makes when they breathe and snort...you know? When they're happy, but they don't know how to laugh, they make the cutest little noises.

    Post more pictures!



    BTW, I was 6 lb. 13 oz and 21" long, and I ended up a mere 5'4"


By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:33 pm:

    doesnt sound kooky at all. sounds perfectly perfect.

    and thats actually where she usually is.

    god i hope she isnt a collic baby. man.


    it IS cute kazoo. beyond cute. insanely cute. she's too pretty a baby to get away with this stuff. this cute should be illegal.


By eri on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:39 pm:

    Sorry, I forgot to mention she she be like up and down, head by your neck, feet on your belly, and not sideways for it to work right.

    If she starts getting colicky, just let me know and I will give you all the pointers to help out that I can, because it is hard to go thru and no one gets sleep unless she gets relief. I should say, though that if Nico is nursing her then it will happen less frequently assuming mildud latches on correctly. Bottles make colic worse.


By spunky on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:58 pm:

    I remember when Micki was in the NICU.
    Eri and I came in everynight, got her out of the incubator, take our shits off and she would litterly curl up in my chest. It was so awesome.
    Skin to Skin contact has no substitute. For either the baby or the parent.
    She was so small she would fit in the concave of my chest....


By dave. on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 02:59 pm:

    cleo was a bit on the colicky side.

    i used to hold her like a football with her head, resting up by the crook of my elbow, arms draped around my forearm and my hand down between her legs. she seemed to like that better than being clamped upright against our chests. some other babies do not like it at all.

    yeah, all those tiny little moments that are so ordinary and precious at the same time.

    let me know about the scanner. . . payback not necessary -- if i could use it, i'd be using it.


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 03:05 pm:

    Dave, what's your email address?


By patrick on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 03:12 pm:

    spider, are your parents tall? do you have really long fingers & toes?

    yes, her coo's and snorts are hilarious, especially when's she's pissed...she tends to snort more. she hasnt learned to channel her air properly just yet.

    of course we'll never know...she could be a stumpy for all we know.


By dave. on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 03:22 pm:


By Spider on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 03:26 pm:

    Patrick, my mom is 5'1" and my dad is around 5'8". My mom does have tall brothers, though. My brother is around 5'11".

    My fingers are long, even though I'm not. :) My mom said that she looked at my fingers after I was born and knew I'd grow up to play the piano. Of course, her signing me up for piano lessons was instrumental in that development...

    I slay me!


By wisper on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 05:39 pm:

    dibs on the scanner if patrick doesn't want it

    !!!!


By Nate on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 06:04 pm:

    "Skin to Skin contact has no substitute. For either the baby or the parent."

    that's how you get babies, too.

    skin on skin or it ain't goin in, wot!


By Ophelia on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 08:17 pm:

    The baby holding descriptions remind me of this photo I have at home, one of my favorites, of my dad holding me as a baby, sitting in a rocking chair.

    ...oh I just remembered that chair is falling apart now. that's because when my brother and I were in the 4-9 range we used to stand on it and rock, and tip it over a lot. it was instrumental in our games, and had bars across the back so it made a good jail or animal cage.

    But anyways, in the picture my dad is all worn out, wearing an undershirt and jeans, and I am in diaper and a little pink shirt with the name and logo of our family health plan on it, and I'm probably less than a month old. Just thinking of that picture is comforting.

    haha, i also remember a picture (i was born in april, this was may or june) of my first red sox game, where i puked all over myself. my dad always said that they had just struck out, thats why I was upset.

    then 3 and a half years later my brother came along and stole my baby status, and all the really cute pictures were of him!


By patrick on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

    dave, send it on. wife sez ok.

    agatha, will you email me if you think of anyway I can repay dave (you)? this too generous mon.


    maybe some mille nico????


By dave. on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 01:15 pm:

    ummm. . . i'm having some trouble getting it to work. it might be that there are no x-pee drivers for it, might be a bad parallel cable, or it might just be fucked up. I should know in the next day or so.


By dave. on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 01:48 pm:

    looks like it might actually all be in the parallel port settings. it really wants to be a scsi scanner but i doubt you have a scsi card. it's a goddam nice graphics scanner.




By patrick on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 02:01 pm:

    yeah. no scsi hardware on our machines

    thanks for trying though


By Gee on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 02:12 pm:

    Patrick, your baby is beautiful. I can't believe you have a baby. That's amazing.


By patrick on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

    isnt it? i still havent fully grasped it. thank you gee.


By dave. on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 03:00 pm:

    what, are ya giving up? i'm not done yet!


By patrick on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 03:03 pm:

    oh. ok.


By dave. on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 01:48 am:

    ok, i'm giving up. i tried a dozen different drivers for my pc using the parallel interface. i stuck it on the mac and tried several different drivers and all of the available scsi ids. i get the same error message on both platforms. the scanner seems to think it works but i can't get a computer to pick it up.

    i did some pricing and there are flatbeds out there for under 50 bucks. amazon had one for 30.

    sorry.

    i'll still send you photoshop and some other goodies.

    i shoulda kept my mouth shut until i determined whether it worked properly.


By patrick on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 11:52 pm:

    christ dave....don't go an like....kill yourself

    seriously, you went above and beyond. no sweat hoss. props for trying to recycle your old 'puter quip


By dave. on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 00:42 pm:

    whew. i had the hose from the exhaust to the window all set up and was just about to throw "welcome to sky valley" in the cd player and fire it up.


By Dougie on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 05:05 pm:

    Do you guys mind making a "What have you done?: makin bacon!!!!! PART DEUX!!!!" thread. This thread is painful for us poor dialup souls in hotels. Gracias.


By wisper on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 05:57 pm:

    for the love of god, don't buy a new scanner for under $99 !


By Rowlf on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 09:43 pm:


By eri on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 10:06 pm:

    Sorry, but I don't think that they look alike.


By dave. on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 10:59 pm:

    that's 'cause you need to drop the crack pipe.


By eri on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:01 am:

    Cute dave, but I wouldn't know what a crack pipe looked like if it was sitting on my porch! The most dangerous thing I have ever done is drink alcoholic beverages while smoking dope on New Years Eve!


By kazoo on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:13 am:

    wanna know the most dangerous thing I ever did?


By dave. on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:26 am:

    should i go lube up first?


By kazoo on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:30 am:

    absolutely.


By dave. on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:40 am:

    READY!!


By kazoo on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 00:32 am:


By Spider on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:35 am:

    You all are smokin' crack -- Josh Homme and Craig Kilborn were separated at birth! Look at the third set of pictures! I couldn't tell them apart!

    ! ! !


By eri on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:12 pm:

    The bone structure around the eyes and the cheekbones are different. I don't deny that they are similar looking, but not exactly alike. They eyes man, look at the eyes. They sit differently. They look different.


By Spider on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:17 pm:

    Well, of course they do - they *are* different! But they could be brothers.


By patrick on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:55 pm:

    god damn i love this new detergent we are using.

    i smell my baby on me all day long which leads me to remember the smell of her sweet baby breath.

    this morning, while mom slept a little longer, she and i layed in bed, talked, looked each other over and pooted for each other.


By kazoo on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 00:07 pm:

    this cuteness is killing me

    hello little milkdud...you don't know me, but I am one of your fans from around the world...we're so happy you've finally arrived.


By wisper on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

    man, everytime we talk about something else, patrick has to come interrupt and ruin it with his damn baby talk. Blah blah blah BABY blah blah BABY BABY BABY. Like this thread was ever about *that*.

    we hate him, don't we fellas?!
    let's get him!!!


By patrick on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:35 pm:

    my thread punkasses....wanna go jive about cock monkeys like craig kilborn take it outside.


    i will counterbalance the cute factor today by saying what a cranky pain in the booty she's been in the last 48 hours.

    she gets really worked up, ansy, unsettled, gasey, insecure and irritated which prevents her from sleeping, which makes her more of the above. its a weird vicious circle we are finding ways to over come.


    in a positive note. her nasty belly button scabby thingy fell off. she has a cute little 'inny'


By eri on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:44 pm:

    Patrick, have you taken any classes in infant massage? They can be really helpful for this. Most hospitals offer them. We were required to take a basic course in it, and since it was required it was free, but I am not sure if you call the hospital to take the class. I can't remember the name of it now, but if I come up with it I will let you know.


By patrick on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 00:10 pm:

    no. im not sure if i *need* such a class at this time, but she does enjoy the backrubs we give her and now that her nasty belly scab is gone, belly rubs, help her work some of that air out.


By eri on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:09 pm:

    They help with calming a cranky baby. Containment worked amazingly well with Micki. You could watch the monitors and see her heart rate slow to normal again and she would stop crying and her breathing would be better regulated.

    Infant massage courses are great for helping you when your baby is upset.

    If she is gassy, try sitting in a chair, and sitting her on your chest (so that her back is against your chest) like she is sitting, but put your hands on her legs just below her bottom and massage her belly. It does help her get some of the gas out. We used to call it the "sitting on the potty" method, cuz she would push out the gas like she was taking a dump. It did help, though. Just an idea.


By dave. on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:11 pm:

    patrick, motion soothes a cranky baby. in the middle of the night when she got too fussy, i used to throw cleo in the baby bag (sleeping bag-like thing with arms and a hood) and go for a walk around the block. it was good for 2-3 hours usually. a drive around the neighborhood can have the same effect if the weather's crappy, which it frequently was.

    also, never try to sleep in silence. always have some kind of noisy thing on. that way, they get used to random noise and don't startle as easily.


By J on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:32 pm:

    If the gas keeps up try Gerber baby drops.


By patrick on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:48 pm:

    we have tried all of the above.

    we have a glider chair, her stroller, and the other night i threw her in the car and took her for a drive up the 5 freeway. out.

    last night we took a walk to the mexican joint down the road for our first dinner out. she was out. most times, in her car seat (that a special 'uncle' gave her) she is out before i make it to the car.


    we've been trying to purposely be more noisy during the day, so she starts to understand day time is nappy but active time and night time is sleep chill time.

    i think newborns are supposed to be gassy. they are still getting their processes under wraps. especially the breathing part because she gets hiccups all the time.


    her sleep sacks put me to sleep they look so damn comfy.


By eri on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:52 pm:

    When you are noisy, be careful of too much noise and light and touch combined at the same time. They call it overstimulation and it can cause the crankiness. I am not saying be quiet or don't live your lives or anything, but be careful of those three things. When too much is going on for her senses, it can cause that. It's why lots of hopsitals have the lights down really low all of the time in the nursery, cuz the noise is enough and the lights too would cause overstimulation.

    Her nerves are just now starting to work and grow proplerly and this is new to her and rather shocking to her system, so overstimulation can be pretty easy.


By patrick on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 08:20 pm:


By patrick on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 08:26 pm:


By wisper on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:32 pm:

    is it the Daily Show interview with him talking about "Keepin' her off the pole" ?

    i saw that one, i wanted to mention it to you!


By Spider on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 10:49 am:

    "You go into a strip club....*all* the girls weren't raped. Some of them missed a few hugs."

    Oh my God, I'm crying over here.


By dave. on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:46 am:

    happy crying or sad crying?

    i'm gassy over here. happy gassy.


By patrick on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:26 pm:

    yeah wisper.

    we caught when it aired and i thought of it yesterday.


    "if your daughter is dancin around to some ZZ Top record, sittin in a guys lap.... you failed as a father."


    John: Whats her name?
    Chris: Lola
    John: ohhhhhboy. uhhh ohhhh you got her going towards the pole on that one.


By Spider on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:27 pm:

    Happy crying.


By kazoo on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 06:14 pm:


By patrick on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 08:03 pm:

    awwwwwww.

    did you go the whole foods on ponce?

    i recently added my magazine coverage in that new location.

    used to be a big gay club in that shopping center.


    big sweaty beefcake gay club.



By patrick on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 06:37 pm:

    eva is such a good baby. she really is. she doesnt cry that often. when she does, she does with authority so im confident in that.

    we all sleep together like three peas in a pod. i cant tell you the joy of waking up next to this little pooter, stretching, squirming, making cutey baby noises while farting up a shitstorm.

    she lets us go out....in fact shes on her best behavior when we are out. she'll sleep the entire time in her car seat..upwards of 5 hours...in loud places. in fact, she does better in noisey places. often when we set her in the quiet bedroom that she gets all bug-eyed and doesnt sleep. can't really blame her. of coruse things werent always quiet in the womb either. we still went out to shows, parties and such so perhaps the super quiet freaks her out.

    her vision has come along. she tracks myself or her mom from several feet away. she starting to seem responsive to happy stimulus. Rather...she grins and widens her eyes at times when i play. i cant tell you hom much im waiting for that first baby giggle.


    im trying not to be one of those proud, exhausting parents who annoy everyone else with anecdotal stories of their kid.....TRYING.


By kazoo on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 06:51 pm:

    don't worry patrick. i love baby stories, really I do. has god put smell in the poo poo yet?

    That new Whole Foods on Ponce is kicking my budget in the ass


By patrick on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 07:21 pm:

    atl needs a trader joes. that'll lighten your budget for sure.

    occasionally, since she's been born her ass reaps holy nasal terror.


By agatha on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 08:18 pm:

    I was going to ask for a baby update. I, for one, want to hear the stories, forever and always.

    Baby farts rule.


By J on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 01:49 am:

    Record it all Patrick,my biggest regret is that we never made home movies when the spawn was cute and I could stand them.I would like to do that for Orion,I have a little over 2,500,00 of my own money to buy a video recorder of my own ,you all know I'm "challenged",can anybody think of one somebody as dumb as I can use?


By patrick on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 02:49 am:

    for 2 and a half million you can pay a hollywood crew to do it for you.


    this baby is being photographed religiously between my Mamiya, 35mm, nico's olympus point-n-shoot, her standard polaroid and my vintage polaroid.


By J on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 11:35 am:

    Oops,two thousand five hundred.


By J on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

    And I don't want to spend it all.


By eri on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 02:11 pm:

    I used to get made fun of by my friends because of all of the pictures I took of Hayley. I always had a camera in hand it seemed. So did my Dad, and his camcorder as well. I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!! YEA!!!!!


By patrick on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 02:18 pm:

    i wont camcorder my kid.

    i can't stand the medium and what it represents.


By eri on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 02:28 pm:

    We don't have much video of the kids. Our trips to the hospital we took to visit Micki so we could show her what we did every day we didn't have her with us, Hayley's school musical events, dance recitals, a birthday party I think, and a little bit of them playing outside. That's about it. A few memories on video but not much. I still take tons of pictures but never get them developed (shame on me) and end up losing the film. Who knows what we would find if I found them all and developed them all.

    Baby memories are special, because they grow so fast and you forget what it was like when they were infants or toddlers or going through earlier phases of life. It's cool to look back and get those warm fuzzy feelings back again.


By semillama on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:13 pm:

    I vaguely recall hearing something on NPR (This American Life?) about home movies and how if our culture was to be described on teh basis of home movies alone, the summary would be that we spent most of our time having birthdays, that everyone had babies, and we all spent our days fishing and cooking out.


By TBone on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:45 pm:

    ...And communicated almost exclusively by waving and saying "Hi!"


By TBone on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:53 pm:

    My friend has a digital camera that will take snatches of video, but no more than 30 seconds long. That's a little better, since you're pressed to actually capture something interesting.


By patrick on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 05:07 pm:

    i actually dig those digi cams with the 15 or 30 second motion. with a little editing ive seen some really nice clips from a particular friend. but then again he's an art director for TV and film so he has skillz.


By wisper on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 07:00 pm:

    you could rent a camcorder, J.

    Cheaper, and you don't have to worry about cash or not knowing how to use it, they'll show you.


By Lapis on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:52 pm:

    Super 8! Except it's (1) obselete and (2) expensive.


By spunky on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:57 pm:

    ok. i know i am going to regret this, and I will not argue with you on this particular thread, I am just curious:
    "i wont camcorder my kid.

    i can't stand the medium and what it represents. "

    ????


By TBone on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 09:55 pm:

    Because camcorder spelled backward is "Satan" of course.


By moonit on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 02:38 am:

    Hands up who missed TBone.


By dave. on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 02:55 am:

    me


By semillama on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 10:39 am:

    me too

    Spunky, Patrick is a professional photographer. I believe that camcorders are held as being somewhat vulgar by such folks. Maybe because of the picture quality, i dunno.


By agatha on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 08:13 pm:

    me three!


By J on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:57 pm:

    I missed Tbone too,I'd still like a camcorder with audio.


By TBone on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 10:55 pm:

    Shucks. Missed you guys too.


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 01:47 pm:

    i missed your inquiry spunk.


    sem has it in essence.

    the medium, is usage and quality.

    to me it seems like people camcord hours upon hours of footage never to watch it again. Its like they habitually take shots without even thinking of the outcome.. Access to cameras like this, has watered the medium down. Old family videos from our generation or older still had a bit of meaning because they were usually limited to 3 minute tapes on Super 8 or less. Quick snapshots, windows in time. Forces you to take just the essential image. A quick image of you on yoru first bicycle...eating your 5th birthday cake, your mom waving bring you home from the hospital etc.

    Today you get annoying fathers who let their camcorders run endlessly on every bit of banal and mundane aspect of our lives. Its too much.

    As a kid, my uncle, every family get together, always had one of those bulky ass shoulder hoisted came corders. the kind that actually took a VHS tape. Xmas morning, im waking up to a bright ass light coming through the room where my cousins and i slept, or heading towards the christmas tree with the thing beeping humming above me like a LA ghetto bird. No good. They may be smaller now, but in essence the same thing.

    Family photography should be staged as little as possible and to get the really good images as minimally invasive as possible. Candid.

    So.....there's my theory on why I probably wont every get a cam corder.


By kazoo on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 02:03 pm:

    Some people, like me, aren't good at taking pictures and without posed ones, wouldn't have any at all.

    This is really why I hate candid pictures though, my stepfather is one of those guys who just walks around and takes pictures from every which angle and they are awful...mean and cruel to do to an insecure teenager.

    Yes, I am still bitter.

    My father had one of those older video camers, the kind that required a large machine and a screen to view.

    I do agree that recording everything is irritating. I think it's okay if one of your kids is an athlete who is pretty serious about wanting to improve and wants to watch themselves play, or something similar to that. That's the only reason my uncle started filming my cousins soccer games.


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 02:14 pm:

    a good photographer doesnt make his subjects uncomfortable in anyway shape or form. by candid, i didnt mean surprising your subject....just more intimate...maybe posed but not like...the posed photo of all your family out in front of the house on easter sunday. do you understand the difference?


By Spider on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 02:18 pm:

    My dad had a super-8 camera with a huge headlight mounted on it that he would drag out on Christmas and at family get-togethers......all of the footage is of people looking at the camera and then wincing and shielding their eyes.


By eri on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 02:23 pm:

    It's so hard to find a really good photographer anymore, for any type of pictures.

    The 1930's era pics we had done were staged or posed, but that photographer was amazing. He was able to look at the girls and see their personalties and take pictures that were so like them, like capturing the essence of the kids on film. He was totally amazing. Though I think I look like crap in all of those pics.

    My Dad is an ameteur photographer and when he does candid shots of nature and animals he does the most amazing job. He really is amazing behind a camera. Camcorders he is good for some things and others are just boring. He is great at taking footage of animals and turning them into promo videos, except for his taste in music. He does great filming my plays or Hayley's recitals, but the rest is just boring.


By kazoo on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 02:25 pm:

    Yes, I understand the difference and I agree as long as it's other people being photographed. My stepfather is just very good at taking pictures of the family doing things and not being noticed until it's too late. He likes pictures of people talking, I've noticed. When he asks people to look over and smile, I used to just walk away. It's really about me being bitter and finding pictures of the side of my face.

    I'm a terrible photographer so even my attempts at candid shots wind up being posed since people have to adjust themselves at some point while I fumble around.


By kazoo on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

    And sometimes he sets it up! For example, I will be sitting at a family gathering and Jim will send one of my best little cousin friends to ask me a question or jump on my lap and a few days or weeks later I get an e-mail with the picture.


By J on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 03:19 pm:

    Post some new pictures of Eva we need updates!


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 03:32 pm:

    i'll see about scanning some later.


By semillama on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 04:33 pm:

    Your step dad rocks. Wait til we have kids of our own...


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 05:23 pm:

    uh.

    did i miss something.


    you guys are engaged arent you.


    out with it.....


By spunky on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

    I have not wanted to mention that, because it tends to make some people uncomfortable, but I have often wondered what a Sorabjiite wedding would be like...
    Maybe somewhat like the wedding at the end of the Bird Cage....


By spunky on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 05:49 pm:

    I understand the point about cam corders, but I cannot afford anything too spectacular.


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 05:54 pm:

    its not about cost so much as it is usage. anyway, i really don't care.


    leave it to me to say the uncomfortable comment that everyone else has enough tact not to say.


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 05:55 pm:

    i actually said "fuck the french" (in regards to current politics) talking to my studio mate recently with his girlfriend and mother of his newborn in the room talking to my wife.

    nico was sure she heard me.

    and it wasn't that i forgot the is French, its just that, if she were listening to my entire conversation, she'd understand we actually agree.

    But still, i probably shouldnt have said it.


By kazoo on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 07:01 pm:

    My stepfather has little saying everytime this topic comes up:

    "Elope so I don't have to pay for anything."


By spunky on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 07:28 pm:

    our wedding might have cost us, what, $600 in total???


By spunky on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 07:28 pm:

    our wedding might have cost us, what, $600 in total???


By kazoo on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 07:32 pm:

    otherwise, no, we are not engaged. Sem would post that for sure. We do talk about all that future stuff though.


By eri on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 09:03 pm:

    If you count everything my mom and grandmother spent (not including the reception dinner) then $600 was about it. If that. The beautiful pewter glasses, the flowers, the dress, the church, the ribbons, probably cost us a total of $350, plus the cake $75, the reception dinner was $350 tips included. Dancing was free. Honeymoon $110 with Dad's work discount. We had a very inexpensive wedding. It was absolutely perfect. It only took two weeks to plan and have. Loved it.


By patrick on Thursday, May 1, 2003 - 11:42 pm:

    i think nico's folks shelled out upwards of 8k.

    i spent nearly 2 on the honeymoon but it was so damn worth it.


By Nate on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 12:29 am:

    that is what i, would, want to do. kegs of beer and BBQ in a big field surrounded by trees. that's a wedding.


By dave. on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 01:19 am:

    you sick fucks.

    good wedding = $ spent?

    spare me.

    fuck that dowry crap. weddings are obscene. unless you're into it. then i say go for it.

    for me, i've purposely avoided practicing sheep noises. as fun as they sound, i prefer not being celebrated for my sheep imitation prowess even though i could really nail it if i tried.


By J on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 02:38 am:

    Dave,don't make me break my foot up your ass.Mothers Day,Agatha,the mother of your spawn,praise her like you should.


By J on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 02:42 am:

    And do something nice for her,can we spell thank you?


By dave. on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 03:02 am:

    don't worry, j. i'm cool with mother's day.

    father's day? eh whatever. i don't have any expectations but if you want to try to get up before me and make breakfast in bed, i'm not gonna fight that.


By sarah on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 12:10 pm:


    that's really funny. i'm totally with nate.

    just last night after work my housemate kathy and i were talking about getting married. it's been a hot topic lately, since i told her about a month ago that i predict she'll be engaged by the end of summer. i can see it in her boyfriend's eyes.

    kathy is very traditional and from a very traditional family who would insist on a traditional wedding. she said her mother would be so excited. knowing her mother, i said, hell, it would give your mother a purpose in life. she said she'd ask her mother to make the dress, to keep her occupied and out of kathy's hair.

    i told kathy, that if i had a mother, she'd be pissed off because my wedding would be a outdoor bbq kegger picnic. ribs and brisket and coleslaw and beer and margaritas and a big sloppy homemade chocolate cake. at a place just like the Salt Lick , or in the mountains somewhere. the band would play rockin' ho-down music.

    she asked, "what would your invitations say?"

    "invitations?" i asked. "no invitations. i'd send out an e-vite."

    that sent us both into hysterics.




By sarah on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 12:12 pm:


    oh yeah. and my friend autumn got married last october and asked me to use her digital video recorder to a documentary-style film during the reception. i had never handled a camcorder before in my life, but that didn't matter to her one bit.

    it was so fun. i did interviews with her family and friends, and caught people doing really silly things when they thought nobody was looking. it was very amateurish and choppy and it turned out great and everyone loved it.

    some people were really weird about being on film though. there were a few who refused to be interviewed, even when i told them it was for autumn and chris.




By Spider on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 12:32 pm:

    I am hideously unphotogenic, so I can understand how vanity could overpower you and make you refuse to appear on camera, even if you knew your friends would still love to see you. It's a shame, though. That sounds like a great recording of a wedding, much much better than a traditional video.

    I can't deal with all the trivial shit that surrounds weddings. If it ever happens to me, I'm eloping.

    Er, well, I would like to be married by a priest, but it would be an extremely spartan deal. I couldn't care less what anyone wore, if there were flowers, etc...

    But that's just me. Some people really like the occasion to make things as beautiful as they can, and that's totally cool, as long as they keep their heads.


    My family knows a couple who got married in their mountain cabin by the woman's brother, who was a justice of the peace, and in front of two friends. They then came home, threw a big picnic, and didn't tell the other people that this was their wedding reception until the last minute before they left. I thought that was right on.


By J on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 12:33 pm:

    I'd would have rather had 8k for a down payment on a house,but I'm a practical virgo and most of the time frugal.I had a small wedding my first marriage and that barely lasted a year,when S and I married it was just us and our moms in my mothers backyard and it's been 26 years.Go figure


By patrick on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 12:59 pm:

    aside from the fact that most of you are insecure recluse nerds (i love you) i can understand the predominate opinion of how a wedding should proceed.

    that aside....

    it wasnt like we stated "we want this we want this we want this we want this". we werent as demanding as the price tag might imply.

    and dave keep your pants on, who said anything about "good wedding = $ spent? "

    nicos folks are quite traditional. in some ways....the formality of it was in their honor. i could forgo some of more traditional aspects of a wedding, but we didnt because they would have been a bit dismayed. you know?

    same with my folks. my mom flipped when i asked her if she could help me buy my tux. i didnt want to rent. thats tacky. the idea of a groom buying his tux was just so unheard of to her. nouveau white trash for ya. i had never asked her financial help for anything since i left home and i thought she'd enjoy the sentimentality of helping my 'clean up' that day. of course not, but god forbid we don't unclude a menu and tracing paper slip in the god damn invites.

    now...nico and I like to feign we have some sort of hippyish roots and all that crap...but if anyone knows nico (and I guess myself too), she was known as "miss priss" to her family growing up. So no wedding in the woods for us.

    we got married at a time in our lives when we were really discovering aesthetics of the past...so we felt it appropriate to honor that in our wedding. so we had our wedding in a 19th century victorian mansion, like a Gatsby party...jazz, formal dinner. had we had some opium and played hide and go seek it would be a page from Lord Byron's life. It was fun. It was play. The bill just added up. We spent as long as they let us. Her parents didnt want for us to feel inhibited by budget and wanted us to have the time of our lives, however we chose to spend it. her mom is really good that way. So....it eventually added up. Formal dinner at about $26/plate for 60 people plus open bar and so on.

    We moved from atlanta 6 months later....so a house may or may not have been a great idea.


By eri on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 01:05 pm:

    Spunky and I have found the place where we intend to renew our vows. It's in that park he posted about and the pics are on our homepage. There is like a 1/2 mile track for joggers and off of this path there is an old teaching (I don't know what you call it, but it's cool) horseshoe of bricks open on one side, overlooking a dry river bed. It's awesome. It doesn't fit a whole lot of people, but that is where we want to go, surrounded by flowers and trees. There is (unfortunately) a no booze policy at the park so we will have to find someplace else to drink massive amounts of adult beverages and dance our asses off, though.


By dave. on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 05:00 pm:

    i admit i was skimming again and i saw mentions wedding costs and how it was worth it and i went said my usual stupid fucking things again. plus i was having a conversation about that very thing at work yesterday with a guy who'd been married a few times and was splitting again and what a legal mess it was. yeah, worth every penny.

    so you keep your pants on, mister!


By sarah on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 05:19 pm:


    i think i'd want to get married just to have a big party and then be able to afford to buy a house.



By dave. on Friday, May 2, 2003 - 10:58 pm:

    patrick, i'm gonna really try to have something in the mail to you on monday. so's you can mangle some pics and post em.


By patrick on Tuesday, May 6, 2003 - 07:30 pm:

    hey eri, agatha, j you guys got any suggestions on increasing milk production?

    we're trying to pump extra milk for nico's 4 day trip next week to Brussels and whats happening is there just isnt enough to go around. we thought by increasing the demand that production would increase, but thus far, little is happening.

    we dont want to go to formula, but of course we will if she doesnt get what she needs.



    any tricks? tips? we've heard dark beer, like Guiness helps production.





    speaking of tricks and tips have you ever heard of putting a baby to sleep by genetly brushing their brow? my mom showed me this and holy cow does it work if shes in a relaxed state.


By spunky on Tuesday, May 6, 2003 - 08:10 pm:

    i have heard that one beer a day does help


By eri on Tuesday, May 6, 2003 - 08:26 pm:

    Recommendations for milk.....

    One beer per day....
    Increased demand.....
    Deep breast massage hot compresses right before pumping (give it a minute to work but it does, that's what I did with Hayley and I had enough for 4 kids).

    Also gently massaging the temples will help calm a infant/child. I had forgot that one. My grandmother used to do that in church to calm Hayley and OMG did it work.


By agatha on Tuesday, May 6, 2003 - 10:30 pm:

    Make a tape of the Milkdud baby girl crying, and play it for insta-milk-gush.


By eri on Tuesday, May 6, 2003 - 11:06 pm:

    Good one. That "I'm hungry" baby cry still makes me drop, and Micki is 3!!!


By patrick on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 12:45 pm:

    ah yes. good idea. we've heard that she can start leaking if she hears other babies crying. although....since shes at home all day, she hears her cry all the time.

    yesterday was one of THOSE days...where she cries all the time.


By patrick on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 02:08 pm:


By patrick on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 02:14 pm:


By Dougie on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 02:16 pm:

    Double posting links?


By eri on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 03:14 pm:

    Sounds like Patrick is ready to start "Daddy Day Care". At least for his little one, but possibly more when money is tight. Hehe. I actually think it is cute. You don't see that many Dads at home with kids. Hell you don't see that many moms at home with kids anymore either.


By patrick on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 03:21 pm:

    i dont think i could or would want to handle many shorties, just mine.

    the good thing is, if need cash on the spot i can chase down some newbie actor in town for some test headshots.


By ChokesOnDick on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 04:00 pm:

    mine are always dropped


By eri on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 04:39 pm:

    Just be prepared that the longer you stay at home with little Eva and any possible future rugrats, the harder it will be to find said work when finances are tight. It will be much harder than it is now. But if you stop with one child, she will be in school in 5 years and it won't be as hard for you as it is for me now. Hopefully you already have your education taken care of. That is my biggest downfall wanting to work from home to supplement. I didn't get my degree. I let my parents talk me out of it. What I would give for my design degree now.

    Overall, staying home with the wee ones is the best. I wouldn't go back to an office for this for anything. I don't think the roll reversal thing (mom bringing home the bacon and dad frying it up in the pan so to speak) should work against you in any way and I commend you for having the desire to seriously concider something like this.

    I think having a parent in the home is important. Not required, but still important. I know there are many successful families out there that have both parents working, but if you have a true option, I am all for staying home.


By spunky on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 04:52 pm:

    if eri made more then I, then you bet your sweet ass I would stay home....
    i would go insane inside 2 weeks, but I would stay home


By patrick on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 05:39 pm:

    eri...my aim....once i cut this shakle here at the office is to work more towards freelance photography...so Im not worried about my career or whatever youd want to call it going down the shitter. if anything....eva would be my lil assistant in the studio.


    mmmmm bacon.


    i wish i had another jr bacon cheeseburger. these mugs are alright.


By Platypus on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 - 11:10 pm:

    Eri, are you still interested in getting a degree? Maybe you should check out some low residency schools like Goddard or Union

    And, Patrick, you should totally start a Daddy Day Care. Bring on the Kegos!


By eri on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 12:38 pm:

    Yeah, I want to go back to school and get my degree in design, but it's going to have to wait until Micki is in school. Then after finishing school I thought I would work on starting a home based company.

    I need to look into the specifics to get a design license (can't believe you need one but whatever). I am not sure how long I will need to go to school.


By patrick on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:04 pm:

    PICTURES!


    the quality varies. most were taken with nico's crappy polaroid. a couple were taken with my 60s era polaroid and a few were taken with my Mamiya. all were scanned with a shitty fax/scan/print device.

    doesnt she make you puke with cuteness?



By spunky on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:06 pm:


By patrick on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:10 pm:

    nico snapped that yesterday. good timing on her part.

    the kid cracks us up man.


By Spider on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:12 pm:

    *squeal*


By spunky on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:14 pm:

    they say all babies are ugly, except to thier folks. I think you might have said that about mikayla's baby pix.
    I can honestly say that that statement is true 99% of the time (i will show you pics of my brother's newest as further evidence of the this phenom), but honestly, your baby is part of that 1%.

    If it were not true, i would not have said anything at all....


By dave. on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:14 pm:

    awww. . .

    check yer mail.


By patrick on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:20 pm:

    i appreciate that spunk.

    though i wouldnt have been the least bit offended if you said the baby is kinda ugly lookin.


    sometimes babies are. just the way it is. it usually works itself out with growth.


    though the bath pic doesnt show it real well....

    when shes in the bath, she wants to cry at first, then she calms her self by sucking on whatever is wet and near her mouth, be it her hand or mine. but she pacifies herself and of course the wet flesh combined with the her incredible suction powers make for a hilarious farty sound and she hasnt quite gotten the grace of it just yet. she will just shove her entire hand, as much that can fit.


By eri on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:47 pm:

    Patrick, don't take this the wrong way. Remember when you modeled in that catalog and I said that your facial structure was a lot like mine? Weird? Eva looks like she could be related to Micki. She has a very similary face. I will have to find a way to show you a picture to show you what I mean.

    I love her eyes and her facial expressions. I think her long thin legs are cute as hell. She is a unique looking baby and that is too cute. Not many babies look like her. She is going to be something special. You can see that when you look at her.


By Antigone on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 01:58 pm:

    Ya'll ain't been cross pollinatin', have ye?


By spunky on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 03:08 pm:

    I wish I knew what happened to the digital pics we had of Micki.
    Maybe dad still has some...


By eri on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 04:11 pm:

    I am thinking of the one of Micki in her first outfit and Micki's first bath looking a lot like little Eva, the facial expressions.

    I love them. They're awesome.

    I look at those pictures and think "This is someone who is truly special".


By J on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 07:55 pm:

    Awww,Evakick is the best one,those huge eyes and that cute chin,what a little doll.


By kazoo on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 09:44 pm:

    Ouch.



    She is PAINFULLY cute.



    She's beautiful Patrick.



    Now, I'm thinking about babies.



    Babies


    BabyBabyBabyBaby




    ok, that's enough


By big ben the biological clock on Thursday, May 8, 2003 - 11:47 pm:

    BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG!


By patrick on Friday, May 9, 2003 - 12:35 pm:

    "painfully cute"


    tell

    me

    about

    it.


    she's even more cute when shes pooping.


By eri on Friday, May 9, 2003 - 01:06 pm:

    Does she make those funny grunting noises and get all red in the face yet? I always thought that was hillarious.

    I just love her face.


By patrick on Friday, May 9, 2003 - 01:47 pm:

    yes. all the time. usually after eating and in the early am. the best is when shes half asleep. again, the drunk old man in the bassonette.


By Ophelia on Friday, May 9, 2003 - 08:44 pm:

    she's beautiful.


By BIGKev on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:09 pm:

    Happy Momma's day to all the mothers in this place, and the periphery; Patrick you'll have to tell Nico for me....

    hope your having a good one....


By patrick on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:20 pm:


By patrick on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:37 pm:


By J on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 03:42 pm:

    I bet it will break Grandma's heart to leave her.


By agatha on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:52 pm:


By eri on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

    Her face is becoming more distinct every day. How much fun. She is amazing.


By patrick on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 12:38 pm:

    tell me about it.

    shes already starting to smile non-pooter induced smiles.

    in particular...on her changing table. right above the table we have our autographed, stones 'some girls' litho and she smiles at that thing endlessly. I cant figure it out. the view isnt particularly good from her sharp angle, but whatever, she loves it.

    this morning, she actually snickered at it. shes also starting to coo more and she's becoming more and more damn cute every minute. though her witching hour is becoming more and more prominent as well.

    im looking forward to this weekend, starting thursday. nico goes to brussels. its me and baby...all weekend, all baby.


By eri on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 01:06 pm:

    You'll be needing massive amounts of booze when the weekend is over!!!! :)


By BIGKev on Thursday, June 5, 2003 - 06:39 pm:

    Another bundle of Joy has entered the world, and I am her UNCLE!!! never been an uncle before, ubt i am pretty excited....

    Older sister, first kid...
    Girl, 5 lbs 12 oz.
    Abigale (sp?) Madeline....
    June 4th 8:32am ...

    no further info at this juncture...no pics yet either...

    GOD, youd think it was mine the way im all excited!


By patrick on Thursday, June 5, 2003 - 06:46 pm:

    wahoo dude!


By eri on Thursday, June 5, 2003 - 07:10 pm:

    The joy of being an aunt/uncle is that when you need to sleep, you can send them home, and don't have to deal with as many stinky diapers!!!

    Congrats!!!!

    My cousin who has spent 100's of thousands on fertility drugs is preggers (finally) and is going to be able to have a baby. I don't remember her due date (I am thinking early next month) and I know she is getting close. Oh, and she finally got pg and was able to carry without the help of all of the fertility shit. She found out she was pg right before she went to go and try one last time..hehe. This will be the only baby she will be likely to give birth to (she has polycystic ovarian cancer) but she will finally have one!!!!

    Patrick.....Eva must be changing by leaps and bounds......how long before we get new pics? Is she moving around at all yet (rolling or things like that?)....are your nights getting any better?


By patrick on Friday, June 6, 2003 - 02:24 pm:

    monkey pants had her first cocktail of immunization shots yesterday.

    she was such a good girl.

    though she was quite fussy last night and was fighting to crash, i didnt mind. we sang Rubber Soul to her. I read to her which worked eventually and I must say that was the best part of my day, to see her smile at me as I read and then fall asleep. Priceless!

    if i can identify WHAT the cause is, im ok when she wont stop crying. Im much more patient and relaxed. its when you dont know and nothing seems to help that sends you to the funny farm. But at least i could write off her fussiness as due to the shots.

    She slept, AGAIN,for the second night in a row, through the night. 8 hours!





    Another first last night.....meatloaf.


    I made a meatloaf.


    I swore off meatloaf for 15 years because it was a staple as a kid, but i decided i should give it a shot. now, being my first time, i used a spice packet from the store, but naturally i jazzed it up myself with shallots and A1 but man o man was it deeeeelish.

    Almost every night i impress with my cooking talents. im SUCH a good housewife.


By patrick on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 03:31 pm:

    so the other day was a landmark day with eva.


    i got her to laugh, wildly!

    i was almost in tears it was so god damned cute.

    she was on her changing table. now since shes mixing formula with breastmilk, she's been getting more and more constipated due to the extra iron in formula.

    well, that day was no exception and upon removing the diaper i saw no poop. at this point it had been nearly 15 hours. when she backs up like that, its catastrophic and results in at least one laundry load if not more.

    so i asked her "where's the poop? where are you hiding it eva jude?" she beamed. i proceeded to tickle behind her ears, underarms and neck while asking if she was hiding the poop in said spots.

    she went nuts!

    in addition, she's gotten way more vocal. she can even mock single intonations with me. and her sighs are to die for.

    we understood that in general, babies don't start cooing and laughing so much for another month or two, but not our eva. sure im biased, but she seems to growing and developing so rapidly. she had tears within the first few weeks...something the books say dont develop until after the first couple of months. if you saw her (i intend to update pics very soon) you wouldnt believe it. she doesnt look 12 weeks. she looks 6 months! at this rate, it seems anyway, she'll hit puberty by next fall.

    she doesnt sleep so much anymore these days which is tough on mom during the day. BUT, we have hooked up with a kick ass nanny. this divorced and childless woman in her mid 50s who is semi-retired, "has no life" (read: flexible) and lives a modest life as a part-time, from-home medical transcriber. shes a practicing budhist has some bitchin tattoos reflecting of times gone by. when eva first met her she proceeded to completely crash out in the crook of her neck. instant perfection. also at that first meeting, she locked her keys in her car. she was all nervous that we would worry she'd forget eva in the kitchen sink, but in fact it was a comforting sign for not so obvious reasons. she's human, and easy going. eva doesnt need a disciplinarian. she just needs some to hang with as shes a very social baby.








By Spider on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 04:01 pm:

    Could you record the sounds she makes and make .wav files? I love the sounds of little babies.

    I once found a cassette tape my dad had made of me when I was just a little baby. It was the cutest thing ever! You could hear my dad talking to me and me giggling and my mom in the background saying, "I'm SOOOO tired."


By patrick on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 04:04 pm:

    hmm. i could make a cassette but i would have no way to make it available online, but thats a good idea though.


By eri on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 04:13 pm:

    Patrick, if you have any friends who are therapists to small children (physical therapy types) you could ask them for a "Help Chart". They are amazing. The totally spread out what children should be doing at different developmental stages, and it is cool when you can see how advanced your child is and what is next, like you can plan for it and help her along a path towards being something exceptional, though I knew she would be as soon as I saw her pics! Congrats.


By patrick on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 06:46 pm:

    yesterday eva decided she wanted to hold her bottle her self.

    she also decided she would roll over.

    she also decided she will take her passy in and out herself.

    she and i also had a 10 minute + 'conversation'


    and and she can support her entire weight with her own two legs. she's working on the balance part.

    im convinced she wont crawl, she'll just walk.





    3 1/2 months.

    it feels like 10.

    i will have pics soon, promise.


By heather on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 10:21 pm:

    crawling is good and some say necessary.

    it's part of development and may help avoid learning disorders like dyslexia

    so maybe, try to get her to crawl. a little.


By One a day on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 08:27 pm:

    my son never crawled. he rolled and then walked.
    he doesn't have dyslexia.


By Vilnius viper on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 10:43 pm:

    one a day,yes,i confirm,they roll,then walk,[allthough i do not have them baby babushskas myself]


By heather on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:31 pm:

    great

    one a day

    i'm so pleased


By patrick on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:00 pm:

    New pictures.

    Be sure and double click to enlarge.

    Sorry for the shitty scans. The color shots were done by mom. By the way, im constantly reminded what a kick ass point and shoot Olympus makes with her camera. Some of the shots, are fucking fantastic, in terms of clarity, color and resolution.

    The few black and whites were done by my. The scans, do them no justice, but you get the idea.

    Guess which one is my favorite.



    http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.asp?userid=accustat&album_id=149813


By Spider on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:11 pm:


By heather on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm:

    the b/w with you holding her up- yum


By J on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:26 pm:

    The one with her and her beautiful mom?


By patrick on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:33 pm:

    no spider. no janny. of course heather.


By Spider on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:35 pm:

    But it's Angry Sam! With a baby! It's your second favorite, right?


By patrick on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:42 pm:

    the second favorite is the one where she looks like a French Noir actress.


    go see the captions ive added


By patrick on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 01:45 pm:

    and by the way....in that particular image she's in her stroller, as you can see.


    i've never publically thanked nate for it, but id like to do so now.

    it was the best gift she received...and naturally its put to amazing use. she sleeps in that thing whenever we are out and of course the combo car seat dealio is a well used gem also.


By kazoo on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 03:11 pm:

    I love Eva being big peoples. I love that little round bald head. kazoo wants to kiss it


By J on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 06:23 pm:

    She is sooo cute I love happycrib.


By One a day on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 12:05 am:

    Heather is so pleased... and Vilnius, though I'm not so sure about the baby babushska, I do confirm the use of a scarf on a bad hair day


By One a day on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 12:16 am:

    Heather is so pleased... and Vilnius, though I'm not so sure about the baby babushska, I do confirm the use of a scarf on a bad hair day


By J on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:18 pm:

    What is up with Angry Sam? I miss his rants.


By patrick on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:38 pm:

    well.


    he's working on Elimidate full time now. the new season is underway.

    HOWEVER, he is taking a lot of those rants and countless other stories, re-editing them, at a rate of one or two a week and compiling a book.


    He's also trying to get another film underway. he's busy.


By J on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:44 pm:

    I can't wait to read the book.


By patrick on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:23 pm:

    more images.

    these are taken with a newly aquired digital cam corder. it has still image capability, but not very good capability.

    anyway, my first go at it.

    those two cuties with me at the end, those were taken just last night.

    why am i at this crummy office and not disecting the world for that girl?


By patrick on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:24 pm:


By eri on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:28 pm:

    She is so cute, and damn, she is growing sooooo much. Why aren't you dissecting the world for her? I think you would be very happy as a stay at home Dad, Patrick. Might be something to look into.


By patrick on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:41 pm:

    its really a matter of finance right now.

    but it most likely will be a reality within the year.


By eri on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:46 pm:

    Rock on. Just remember the first year is the hardest, cuz of the financial changes, but as far as the stress of being "Daddy" all day and having less adult interaction, I think you are more than up to the task.


By Dougie on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:56 pm:

    She really is a cutie pie, Patrick.


By spunky on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 02:59 pm:

    As long as basic needs are met, it comes down to what is more important.

    Material things/Creature Comforts,
    or
    Raising your child the way YOU see fit, not the way a babysitter or daycare sees fit.


By patrick on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 03:09 pm:

    the finance part hasnt been a problem.

    people give you so much shit. healthcare is costing me more, but i had them take less taxes out, so my take home hasnt been altered. yeah formula is a bit more.

    the real bite in expense is the extra $60-140 per week nanny fee.

    but until nico replaces my salary with her commissions which are in the works now, and we can get this god damn japanese license deal done for mille nico, i gots to go to work. and man is it hard.

    when you wake up to that face inches from yours and she lets out the biggest ear to ear grin to see that you're awake its so hard to leave.


By spunky on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 03:43 pm:

    I know what you mean. She is quite the cutie.

    Mikayla sometimes wakes up before I leave in the morning, and she thinks I am staying home.
    When I tell her I have to go to work, and go to tuck her in bed with Eri, you can see her heart breaking. These huge tears run down her cheeks.


By dave. on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 04:11 pm:

    that's a li'l cutie-pie there, mr. patrick.


By patrick on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 04:20 pm:

    couldnt agree more.

    and can spot the future 'schmuck/yes man' in those pictures?


By eri on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 04:34 pm:

    The yes man phase will probably wear off in time. Trust me on this one....though I do often tell Spunky he is to easy on Micki, and lets her get away with way too much.

    They figure out how to play you pretty young and after a while you figure out their games, but it is still hard not to give in too easily.


By spunky on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 04:37 pm:

    i still cannot turn down her baby blues when tears start coming down the cheeks. Hayley has learned this as well


By J on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 01:26 pm:

    Awwww she's sooo cute,I love the picture where she's sleeping.Isn't she about 6 months now?


By patrick on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 03:43 pm:

    4 months last week


By eri on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 03:51 pm:

    She looks amazing for 4 months. Strong neck and head, looks like her back is good and strong too.

    How mobile is she? Rolling? Front/back, Back/front? How bout sitting up without support, any length of time?

    Sorry, just stuff that was like my entire world when Micki was small. These were things we had to work on a lot with her therapists, so I naturally just think of these things.


By patrick on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 03:59 pm:

    she's rolling, for sure. i havent seen her from from to back yet. just back to front. she has the ability be on her stomach and prop her head and chest up, and even scoot just a bit, but she tires easily. she's working on getting her knees under her but not there just yet.

    she still cant sit up by herself but i suspect that is the next to occur.

    she is strong for sure.

    i keep telling nico we need to enjoy the cute immobile phase as long as we can. its great, putting her down, say in her bouncy and know where she is at all times. its when she's mobile that she'll require constant supervision. considering how strong she is now....look out


By eri on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 04:15 pm:

    Well, she sounds like she's moving quickly.

    Rolling from Back to front isn't very easy, and if you work with her on it you might find she does something simple blocking her from doing it, like holds her arm in a way that impedes her progress.

    Scooting already......Fuck yeah.....Go Eva!!! Not normal until approx 6-8 months...and it is normal for her not to have her legs under her until she is really learning to crawl and not scoot.

    The sitting thing is normal at approx 6 months.

    So overall she is progressing at/above age level.

    Awesome!!!!!

    Seeing things like that make me want another one. Thank GOD I can't actually have any more rug rats. I would lose my mind!

    Enjoy the immobile phase while you can. It's like you want them to walk and do all these things and when they do, you realize how much more difficult things are for you to keep up with her, and recall how much fun you had with her when she was immobile....kinda like..."I wished for THIS???? What was I thinking?"

    But then again, the whole baby phase passes by so fast that you just want it back again sometimes.

    She is so adorable Patrick.


By J on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 05:07 pm:

    And she looks real smart:)


By patrick on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 05:28 pm:

    she is. im convinced she's an adult in a baby's body.

    the things she laughs at, responds to and expressions she offers, its like she's in the know.

    but then again, Im terribly biased.

    we're on to her though...


By agatha on Saturday, August 9, 2003 - 01:36 am:

    I must meet her.


By patrick on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:01 pm:

    she'd like you for sure.


By kazoo on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 11:36 am:

    She's too cute Patrick. I still want to kiss that little bald head of hers. She looks oh-so-curious in those last photos, like she just has to check everything out.


By patrick on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 12:50 pm:

    she does.

    if you hold her, she constantly wants to see whats behind her, where ever she isnt looking. sometimes in your lap she'll just thwart her body forward to stare at the ground. i gotta get some shots of her holding her own bottle, she's doing that now.



    Last night at the celebrity/NHL benefit we went to, she got her LA Kings milky bottle signed by this future Hall of Famer. She had the attention of some the players wives and kids. The kid is such a draw where ever we go. So I completely understand the desire to kiss her Kojack head.


By patrick on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 12:51 pm:

    she does.

    if you hold her, she constantly wants to see whats behind her, where ever she isnt looking. sometimes in your lap she'll just thwart her body forward to stare at the ground. i gotta get some shots of her holding her own bottle, she's doing that now.



    Last night at the celebrity/NHL benefit we went to, she got her LA Kings milky bottle signed by this future Hall of Famer. She had the attention of some the players wives and kids. The kid is such a draw where ever we go. So I completely understand the desire to kiss her Kojack head.


By patrick on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:37 pm:

    ok.


    so.

    the bacon report.

    she's just about to crawl, as poorly documented in this image

    She's just moving right along.

    Yep


    check out the skirt i bought her this past weekend. I thought i scored real good. My little rude girl.

    She's going for her 6 month check up today. She's 6 months exactly this day. Im betting shes about 2 feet and nearly 20lbs.




    oh, and as far as photos go. This was the entire reason we went to Atlanta recently. To get that girl in these folks arms. This picture is one of the happiest pictures I own.


    (ahhhhh right?)






By semillama on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:48 pm:

    That's a great shot of her in the skirt and skull t-shirt.

    Sunday we saw a toddler in a Ramones t-shirt, which was awesome.


By spunky on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:51 pm:

    I dont think I have ever seen a pink skull and crossbones tshirt, that was pretty cute.

    I love the chubby arms. Neither of my girls had any chub on them what so ever.


By patrick on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 01:00 pm:

    Lisa Carver gave us that onsie as her daughter out grew it.

    its a perfect gift from a woman like her.


By sarah on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 01:52 pm:


    babies! great grand parents! aaaaaiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee




By eri on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 04:18 pm:

    Damnit, why won't it let me look at those pics? Ugh.

    I am sure she is cute as hell. Always has been. I love baby chub and little baby thunder thighs and puckers in the knuckles and elbows and shit, but no kid of mine ever got big enough for that.

    I so wanna see that outfit!!! Ugh.


By patrick on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 04:22 pm:

    she came in at 26 inches and 16 lbs. long and lean, but she still has some of the chub.


    i dunno why they arent working for you.


    if you like, go to printroom.com


    look up member "accustat" and go to the gallery titled Eva DV or something like that. they'll be at the bottom.


    im already annoying my mom with her clothes.


By spunky on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 04:27 pm:

    tell her that's payback for all the annoying clothes she made you wear....

    or was that just me???


By patrick on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 04:37 pm:

    oh no.


    its just more of the same.


    she hated all the shirts and clothes i wore from the age of 10 on.

    if anything, its a good sign to me. we're on the right path if its rubbing her the wrong way.


By J on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 05:06 pm:

    She has the biggest eyes awwwwww:)


By Ophelia on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:33 pm:

    she has a great concerned expression in so many of those.

    she is a beautiful baby.


By kazu on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:23 pm:

    she is so cute I can't stand it.


    This past weekend, I pestered Sem about whether or not he thought I'd ever get to be a mommy.


By agatha on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:31 pm:

    How funny, Cleo had that same exact skirt at one point in time. It's so ska.

    She is tres adorable.


By kazu on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:39 pm:

    and another thing. How do you get ANY work done at all? I mean honestly...knowing that little face waiting for you at home?


    I held a baby named Fletcher on Sunday evening. I like the name Fletcher. I don't think I'd ever name a baby Fletcher, but I'm glad I know someone who did.


    I also think Fletcher is a great name for a beagle or a basset hound.


By dave. on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 12:44 am:

    yah, exact same skirt. ultra-cute little spawn there. she looks like a coo-freak. is she super vocal? she looks chatty.


By patrick on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 01:18 pm:

    i know skazu....its hard. i must plant about 370 kisses on her a day she's so damn cute.


    the skirt i got at a baby consignment shop. I think its baby gap. it has shoudler straps but they're ultra gay.

    i was looking online for some baby 'punk' clothes, but all im finding are these retards with take basic onsies and rompers and put their logos and silly quotes on them like "my daddy has more tattoos than your daddy". thats gay.

    i was some punk plaid skirts and knickers. i want some fluffy stripped freddy krueger/johnny lydon sweaters. i want some baby combat boots.

    hearing my mom complain about the skull onsie put me on a mission.


    and yes dave...she can be a chatter machine when she wants too. usually when she's stressing the bouncey limits of her bouncey seat. the kid is gonna fling herself out of it one day.


By Spider on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 02:10 pm:

    I want a baby now. What a little cutie! She looks so alert and intelligent. When's her hair supposed to come in? I wonder if she'll be a red-head like her mom.


By eri on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 02:25 pm:

    So, finally my puter is working and I got to see the pics. She is so adorable Patrick.

    I found little combat boots about the size Micki wears at a consignment shop. I will have to go back and see if they have any small ones for little Eva. Hehehe.


By Spider on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

    I think this is my favorite picture so far. Her head is perfect!


By semillama on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 02:53 pm:


By patrick on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 02:56 pm:

    spider, her hair can come in anytime. though they say girls' hair comes in slower than boys.

    she has shed some her original baby hair that was quite dark. some new hair is coming in thats still quite brown but not as dark.

    i don't think she'll have red hair. though her eyebrows are super light. sam and will both are convinced she will based on the eyebrows and have put a bottle of makers on it.

    If anything, she might have lighter brown hair than mine....more like a chestnut color.

    All in all, who the fuck knows. If she were to stay like she is now, forever, id be just as happy.



By kazu on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 03:55 pm:


By patrick on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 04:00 pm:

    entirely possible kaz, although she can keep up with the best of them when it comes to ass noise.



    thats cute sem.


    but i want to avoid statements like that as i generally think its kinda pussy to dress your baby with statements.


    i just want the style of clothing.


By Spider on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 04:25 pm:

    I was just thinking....my best friend was born with curly black hair, which fell out around 8 months, and is now pin straight and red-gold. My brother was bald till he was around 1, then had blonde/brown hair, and around puberty it darkened to black. Mine was black and curly, and it slowly faded to sorta wavy dark brown. I think J posted about having straight hair as a kid and naturally curly hair as an adult.

    So who knows?


By sarah on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 04:50 pm:


    my sister is having a baby in mid April. i want to get her a little scull and crossbones baby thing. where can i get one??



By semillama on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 04:51 pm:

    I had hair so blonde it was white, which gradually darkened to a dark blonde.


By patrick on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 04:53 pm:


By wisper on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 - 07:00 pm:

    there's a store here that sells baby goth clothes, little tiny stripey tights n' fishnets, little fake leather jackets, baby victorian-style velvet dresses w/ spiderweb lace and etc.


    you know, for baby's named "Crow" and "Azrael" :)



    cute


By semillama on Thursday, October 2, 2003 - 10:01 am:

    For some reason, that makes me think of Stewie from Family Guy.


By semillama on Thursday, October 2, 2003 - 11:14 am:


By patrick on Thursday, October 2, 2003 - 12:51 pm:

    no, we werent. but id have to say, even if we had an at-risk baby, we would be superstar parents because we started her on cereal at 5 months


By V.v. on Thursday, October 2, 2003 - 09:16 pm:

    Shit,i just wish i had kids.I got money,houses,cars,fame of a sort,more cash than i can spend,but in persuit or this wealth,i miss out on KIDS,Just to have even ONE small child call me Daddy would be a dream come true,yes to have money is cool,but to be a father is the ultimate.Eri,you are so lucky to have two.


By V.v. on Thursday, October 2, 2003 - 09:45 pm:

    But,im not dead yet,and perhaps im not a dinosaur after all, just need to live to 100 years,and perhaps i get my wish.


By V.v. on Thursday, October 2, 2003 - 09:56 pm:

    And v.v. dont EVER give up.


By wisper on Friday, October 3, 2003 - 07:12 pm:

    so adopt, V.V.


By patrick on Friday, October 3, 2003 - 07:43 pm:

    or get a puppy


By V.v. on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 06:18 am:

    Wisper,as a single person,i dont think i can adopt,can i?


By V.v. on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 06:40 am:

    Patric,dogs i hate,cats i like,but they just arnt the same as haveing your own kids,i supose ill just have to continue to take other peoples kids out to the Zoo.


By eri on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 11:55 am:

    Single parents can adopt. It isn't as easy to do as a married couple, but single parents can adopt. It's usually easier if you 1 have money and 2 find children in the system (like in foster homes and things like that). They need homes badly and the government is supporting them, so they tend to let single parents adopt them easier. But it is expensive any way you look at it.


By wisper on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 05:59 pm:

    i mean, they let Rosie O'Donnell adopt for god sakes, i'm sure they'll let you.


By eri on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 06:03 pm:

    ROFLMAO......not going to comment or Rosie O'Donnell.........biting my tongue.....


By V.v. on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 09:08 pm:

    ERI,WISPER,you recon i can,?i will look into this in English law.As you know,i got plenty bucks,but i may be dead in a few years,due to my big time drink and cigs problem,if i live to 70,i estimate i am worth 50 to 70 million bucks,is that enough to keep some Chinese kid in education and clothes?i really hope so.I belive gay couples can adopt, so you think i can?as a single straight guy?Kids is the only thing in the world i dont have,and i really need them right now.


By V.v. on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 09:43 pm:

    come on,gimmy input.


By wisper on Saturday, October 4, 2003 - 11:30 pm:

    no idea vv, you'll have to search the laws for your area.

    i'm sure they go for couples first, but if you've got that much money you'll have no problem providing for a kid or 12.

    totally go for a kid in a poor country. The family across the street from me got a little girl from Vietnam a few years ago. So sweet.


    Or if you're not into spending money, you could donate some time to a local youth home or something.


By V.v. on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 02:20 am:

    wisper,blessings to you Goddess,i got no problems with money,you know that,i just need kids,i really need kids to keep me sane.i really love chinese kids,cuz they got the same hooded eyes as i got,at school,i got beat up a lot of the time,cuz i look non english,ever since,i been fighting back,finacially that is, Thats part of the reason im so rich,


By 8 on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 02:42 am:

    because you have hooded eyes you're rich? i have lidded eyes. without the lids i'd be buggy eyed like the newt.

    you

    know? loc. you want achile? a child? a kid? i'm here. you can support me. i need a daddy. c'mon bro, pony up. send me my allowence.


By J on Monday, October 6, 2003 - 01:34 pm:

    Hey back off $ I asked V.v weeks ago if I could be his dog and all I ask is he walks me where that David Blaine is so I can do my "magic".Bow wow


By patrick on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 05:45 pm:


By kazu on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:57 pm:

    Milkdud Magoo!!!

    okay patrick, the cuteness is getting a little out of hand, could you tell her to bring it down a notch. i don't want to talk about what it's doing to me.


    yeah, it's all about me.


By patrick on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:53 pm:

    try living with her.

    you should hear her talk, while looking that cute.

    tell me about it already.


By J on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

    Already an official little crawlygator,they grow so quickly.


By patrick on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 01:25 pm:

    though she's makin monkeys out of us this week. shes had s bit of a sinus thing....being a bit snotty over the night hours and it affects her sleep, thus ours which makes her more cranky and needy during the day and well, here it is friday and im seeing double.

    and dave, at one point you said something to the effect of "she looks like a chatter box" at the time you said that...wasnt much of a thing, she talked but not that much.

    now?

    jesus christ. especially when she wakes up. LALALALALLALALALALALALALALABABABABABABABABABABABABABABADAJADO


    and on and on and on and on and on and on.

    at 3am i've found scrabbling to find her batteries to shut her off.

    she's actually behaved like a real baby this week and we're off our mark.


By spunky on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 02:21 pm:

    Patrick, I am actually jealous of you.


By patrick on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 02:36 pm:

    if you saw me you wouldnt.

    im a fuckin zombie


By patrick on Monday, November 3, 2003 - 03:09 pm:


By eri on Monday, November 3, 2003 - 04:11 pm:

    Zombie eh? I wish I could tell you that phase ends soon.......maybe you will get lucky. Those pics say a lot Patrick.


By J on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 - 11:03 am:

    Eva,typical girl can't even walk yet but she's sure trying to work the phone...too cute.


By sarah on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 - 10:56 am:


    gimme!




By patrick on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 - 12:29 pm:

    god damn i look like a fag on fire in those images.



By J on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 - 02:15 pm:

    I really liked whatthehell.


By patrick on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 06:49 pm:


    03/30/04

    Oh My girl. My special little girl. You're so much more than I ever expected.

    For starters you're so funny, making me laugh everyday, with every new dance, hand gesture (your hand jive and kung fu movements in particular, ask me some day and I'll show you). Its clear you have a sense of humor, something your Mom and I bear equally. I see a cynicism in your eyes and so much dry wit to come. I look forward to not only being on your side, but the brunt of your sauceyness as well.

    You're warm and so incredibly loving. I'd love to the think this is due solely to your mother and I and everyone else you knowing showering you with love, but that would be naive. You have a warm glow deep inside you that only nature knows the source. Kisses...oh Eva Jude how you share the kisses. You're going to make so many people happy, many more than you already do.


    You're so incredible beautiful. My god, what happened? Sometimes I wonder if your mother didnt make with some chiseled West Hollywood gym bunny (ask me for an explanation when you're 10). You're mother is beautiful but you're even giving her a complex. Im joking, of course, for effect but the point is Im waiting for your nose to pop out, your face to elongate. Can beauty be this bold? Maybe any beauty from me will be subtle, like, a set of elegant toes or sturdy long shins. Yes. Yes. How proud will I be when the world collectively GASPS! and traffic stops to stare at your beautiful, long and sturdy shins.


    Eva Jude...how smart you are. You're big eyes survey everything. You're on to us and the world. You know whats going on. You want what you want and you most often know what you want and who are we to stand in your way? More times than not, you seem to know when the cat has been left outside at night even when she's not meowing at the door. How you know this is beyond me, but the cat owes many a warm night indoors to you.


    You've been with us for a year now, but in some respects it seems like an eternity. Other times it feels like we've just begin. I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. You have no idea how many times people have complimented that you're an old soul. I'm not sure I could put to words what the phrase 'old soul' means but like most, I know it when I see it. I feel you've done this all before and you've come back to do it all better, perhaps with a little more icing on top. Regardless, by being what you are, you are making so many people around you happy and that is an amazing thing. You an be assured your Mother and I will never forget to remind you of this every day in the years to come.

    Happy first birthday my sweet.

    Love
    Papa


By dave. on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 06:55 pm:

    good shit, man. happy birthday.


By patrick on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 07:01 pm:

    you ought to see the scrap book Angry Sam gave her for her birthday. He has been keeping notes for a year. I knew about it a month or so ago because he wanted to sort out some specifics on family members and such but christ every little detail, as told from her God Father's perspective....Nico and I were in tears reading it the other night.


    moreover I appreciate all the love and wamrth all the peeps here in sorabjababy dingdong land have shown us in the last year.










    *thumps chest to a peace sign*


    Hollah!


By Spider on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 07:13 pm:

    Happy happy birthday, little girl!


By kazu on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 07:29 pm:

    Happy Birthday sweetie! My ovaries itch because of you! It's true.

    Happy Birthday to mama and papa too!!!


    I took the picture I printed out to show the ladies in the office and put it on my fridge. Yes, I'm a dork, but my cousins don't send me anything so what am I to do? Besides, I know eva better than any of their kids.


By Dougie on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 10:17 pm:

    Happy birthday to Eva and my little sister Becky.

    That's funny that this thread came up today, becuase I got some good news today too -- we're a little bit preggers. Due in late November or December. (Sorry, don't mean to steal your thunder here Patrick).


By kazu on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:48 pm:

    Dougie! Congrats!


    p.s. start your own thread...this one takes so long


By agatha on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 12:56 am:

    Only a guy would say "a little bit preggers."

    Congratulations, Dougie!

    Happy birthday, sweet wonderful Eva. What did you get?


By kazu on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 01:15 am:

    Yes, and did you smash your fist in the cake? Pictures of eva eating cake please!


By Spider on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 09:10 am:

    Congratulations, Dougie!! Keep us informed.


By sarah on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 12:29 pm:


    happy birthday Miss Eva. i hope to meet you someday.



By The Watcher on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 12:59 pm:

    Happy Birthday to Miss Eva.

    Patrick and Dougie I envy you both.


By patrick on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 01:54 pm:

    way to go dougiEfresh!!!



    yes, pictures to come. indeed!

    oh man there are some good ones.




    some of the things Eva scored....lets see. numerous clothes. a nifty alphabet talking singing worm thing. she got a few stuffed animals, but the best was a stuffed Homie 'Night Owl'. We gave her the aquarium. Monday we went and got some neons, and a fire belly newt to add to the mix. She got some gift certificates. She got a really amazing heartshapped silver keep sake box. its actually two boxes that form a heart, one has engraved "My first curl of hair" and the other has "my first tooth". Its beautiful. Amazing.


    Ok
    lemme get workin on the pics.


By patrick on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 02:48 pm:

    voila!


    a lot of the pictures suck in terms of quality because i was so nuts trying to manage camcorder and digital (forget using my medium format to get some really nice large images) that at one point I gave my digital to a friend, who did a great job shooting my girl and her game getting the trash cans in the shot.

    anyway. these include our visit to the pier in santa monica monday and last nights dinner with her close friends.


By Lapis on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 02:51 pm:

    Happy birthday littl'un.


By J on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 03:05 pm:

    AWWW bd12 and bd14 precious,congrats Dougie,Nov.will be busy.


By patrick on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 03:33 pm:

    did you see the shirt in bd19.jpg? Nico had those made up for mille nico as party favors. her boy Gus had to put his on right away.


By Spider on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 03:48 pm:

    This picture....it's amazing how direct and steady her gaze is. Like she's looking at you in this frank, level, cool way. You know? That's neat. I'd like to see if she still has that as an adult.


By kazu on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 03:52 pm:

    I noticed that about her gaze too. I love her expressions.

    Most of the pictures we've seen indicate that she seems to like the older boys a little better, but she's still in charge: be gone from my sight!


By kazu on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 03:54 pm:


By J on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 02:03 am:

    Her little cleft chin is adorable,I'm a sucker for clefts and dimples.Angry Sam making a scrap book,what a dear man:)


By Dougie on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 08:35 pm:

    Well, it turned out to be ectopic. She had ambulatory surgery to remove it, plus the tube it couldn't ride up in (some sort of 'ectomy -- can't remember what's it called.) She's fine and sleeping now.


By Spider on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 09:00 pm:

    Oh, man, Dougie. I'm so sorry.


By dave. on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 04:21 am:

    shit, man. first of all, i missed it up there that you were preggers. i hope y'all are able to try again. take care and good luck.


    btw, does shit like that ever happen to the people it should happen to?


By kazu on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 01:40 pm:

    Dougie, I'm sorry. take care of yourselves and good luck.



    Yeah, dave. I know what you mean.


By Dougie on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 02:17 pm:

    Thanks guys. The doctor says that everything should be fine in a couple of months, so we'll keep trying, but it was such a letdown after gearing up for it. We both really want a little girl for the first, and we've decided on a name -- Mary Margaret, and we'll call her Maggie for short. My family has a history of naming all the girls with a first name prefix of Mary, but calling them by their middle names, so we'll stick with the tradition.


By kazu on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 02:43 pm:

    My godmother is Margaret Mary and I love the name Maggie. I have a cousin named Margaret but they call her Meg.


By J on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 03:33 am:

    I'm so sorry Dougie.


By agatha on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 11:01 am:

    The next baby will be that much more precious to you now, but I'm so sorry for your loss. We get attached so fast, don't we?


By Spider on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 11:29 am:

    I have an aunt Maggie -- her real name is Margarette (accent on the third syllable).


By eri on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 05:09 pm:

    I'm sorry Dougie. I know how this one hurts, though it wasn't necessarily ectopic the 5 times I went thru it.

    If it helps at all, Micki was preganancy number seven, so through everything we went thru we were still able to have a beautiful little girl.

    And OMG, not kidding on this always happening to the wrong people.


By dave. on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 01:30 am:


By patrick on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:41 pm:

    awesome. hey if i give you sams address...could you plop that on a CD and mail it to him? that we he has your address, he wants to return the favor. then you can save your bandwidth.


By patrick on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:58 pm:

    damn id make a pretty good dj. shame i didnt get time to finish my set either. i felt my them of revolt and absurdity held tight depiste not getting to play my nation of ulysses or subhumans songs.\

    i have an open invite on that show.


By dave. on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 07:33 pm:

    yeah, you could give me his address or he could just download it and have it today. it's not that big of a file.


By patrick on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:10 pm:

    he's kinda not very saavy in this regard, plus he literally has 0 space on his hard drive because his movie footage has taken it all up. plus he's on dial up.

    email me for the umpteenth time and I'll give you his addy. i swear i'll save your addy this time. he said he'll send you a warm beer and a dvd of his film in return.

    i think he listened to it today already, as have I, so you can pull it down. Thanks again


By dave. on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 09:21 pm:

    mmmm. . .beer


    check yer inbox, chief.


By Spider on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:03 pm:

    Patrick, do you have your playlist for that show?


By patrick on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 03:30 pm:

    it was only 4 songs.
    Ghost Exits- She's Beyond Good and Evil
    Sexual Milkshake-Space Gnome
    Moss Icon-Memorial
    Contortions-Contort Yourself

    two songs I didnt get to play
    Subhumans -Someone is Lying
    Nation of Ulysses-Asprin


By patrick on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 02:36 pm:


By wisper on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 06:07 pm:

    it's growing!!


By agatha on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 09:13 pm:

    That hat is too much. SO CUTE.


By jack on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:33 am:

    what


By jack on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:33 am:


    i mean: what a cutie.



By jack on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:34 am:

    what


By TBone on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 01:30 pm:

    what: She's HUGE. Twice as much cuteness by volume, at least. They grow!


By patrick on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 01:32 pm:

    dude SMARTdogs have some serious growin stuffs inside.


By Gee on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 04:54 pm:

    I can't believe how fast babies grow. is she potty trained yet? Is that a stupid question? I know fuck all about babies.


By patrick on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 05:03 pm:

    no, its not a stupid question. no, shes not potty trained but she is on course to be in a matter of months. shes ready to do it, her mom has a little potty, i need to get one for my crib. some kids arent potty trained to well after 3 years.

    its weird, shes not a "baby" anymore. she looks at other babies, like real crying babies and says "baaaaby". shes a toddler. soon to be a kid. soon to be a preteen, teen and adult.


By semillama on Friday, April 1, 2005 - 05:50 pm:

    Patrick, by any chance was "Cat in the Cradle" playing in the background when you were typing that?

    oh, and you have one stylish little girl there.


By patrick on Friday, April 1, 2005 - 06:30 pm:

    i dont know


    *blink blink*


By Hey on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:44 am:

    oh ya ya ya


By Kristi on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:48 am:

    no ya o no ya o no ya o no ya o
    i have a crush on some one


By agatha on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 03:15 am:

    Speaking of which, can we get some new pictures of lovely miss Eva?


By patrick on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:17 pm:

    yes. i posted a couple of weeks ago that if you emailed me, i'll send you the link. only spunk replied.

    id prefer not post the direct link live with so many trolls.


By Ya mum on Monday, August 8, 2005 - 02:38 am:

    hey you guys r very bored how bout you eat my asss :D o and btw you are all homo's!!!! bahahahaha funny coz u'll never no that my name is steve kendel of texas state high lol... damm it.... neway suck me ! HA


By Agent D on Monday, August 8, 2005 - 06:13 pm:

    You mean HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


By patrick on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 - 04:03 pm:

    holy shit, my print rooom is still active. i did look like a fag on fire that day on angry sam's porch.


    damn.

    anyway

    so here we are, 4 years after the last post. Eva is with me here in the office. she comes back to work with me when i get her from school. she has her own beer file. she likes to write the word beer and draw people peeing. she colors the pee yellow with a highlighter. she shows me these drawings as im on the phone.

    how far we've come. how interesting this critter is.


By patrick on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 - 04:04 pm:

    holy shit, my print rooom is still active. i did look like a fag on fire that day on angry sam's porch.


    damn.

    anyway

    so here we are, 4 years after the last post. Eva is with me here in the office. she comes back to work with me when i get her from school. she has her own beer file. she likes to write the word beer and draw people peeing. she colors the pee yellow with a highlighter. she shows me these drawings as im on the phone.

    how far we've come. how interesting this critter is.


By sarah on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 - 04:42 pm:


    i can't believe it's been four years. and she's six years old now, right?




By patrick on Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 09:23 am:

    yep. 6 going on 12.

    its perhaps appropos to mention that were having sex now with a mission beyond pleasure. which is a first for me. weeeeeee.


By sarah on Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 10:30 pm:



    ooooh have fun and good luck.




By semillama on Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 11:04 pm:

    I had a dream last night that Kazu got pregnant again and full term in one night. It was terrifying.


By agatha on Friday, June 5, 2009 - 05:28 pm:

    How about an update, Sarah? That is, unless you happen to be in labor?


By The Watcher on Saturday, June 6, 2009 - 08:19 am:

    Oh my God!!!

    I have been away to long!!!

    I have a lot of catching up to do.


By Dr Pepper on Saturday, June 6, 2009 - 09:25 am:

    Oh my God, The sun is up :-)


By sarah on Saturday, June 6, 2009 - 12:58 pm:


    there's nothing really to update. still pregnant. the only complaint is that my hips are starting to get stiff. i'm having only sporadic practice contractions, and only when i'm up and moving about. they stop whenever i sit or lay down.




By Danielssss on Saturday, June 6, 2009 - 11:08 pm:

    then by all means go dancing or bungee jumping. keeping you and the little ones in my prayers. two weeks and no longer single, but i can count on NO BABIES!! just some misc grandchildren I am inheriting.


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